Page 21 | Why so much fuss over Stella Braverman?

lastminutepanicking · 2023-05-22T16:03:55+00:00

I’m just wondering who on earth cares? Can’t understand why this is such big news.

RitaCrudgington · 23/05/2023 19:47

Hippyhippybake · 23/05/2023 18:06

I stand corrected about her being a KC - how odd that AG automatically becomes a KC.

It used to be the case that all MPs who were barristers could be upgraded to QC as "artificial wills". Nowadays it's just the senior law officers.

RitaCrudgington · 23/05/2023 19:48

Bloody autocorrect. "Artificial silks"

Cornettoninja · 23/05/2023 19:50

Bet BJ wishes he’d had a decent lawyer on his team now.

IClaudine · 23/05/2023 19:52

Hey, janiie. More Johnson "cake" seems to be incoming. The Cabinet Office has referred him to the police after details of lockdownChequers parties emerge.

I am very worried about the Ely deaths. I really hope things are peaceful tonight and the police show some intelligence in dealing with any fall out from their barefaced lies.

TheHandmaiden · 23/05/2023 19:52

The Tory Party had a lot of decent lawyers and Johnson alienated or sacked most of them. So he was left with Braverman who apparently writes anything, or better, finds her staff to write it because she can't.

Iwasafool · 23/05/2023 20:33

IClaudine · 23/05/2023 19:52

Hey, janiie. More Johnson "cake" seems to be incoming. The Cabinet Office has referred him to the police after details of lockdownChequers parties emerge.

I am very worried about the Ely deaths. I really hope things are peaceful tonight and the police show some intelligence in dealing with any fall out from their barefaced lies.

I feel very sorry for the people who are living there, had nothing to do with the accident and must have had a terrifying night. An office I worked in had a fire bomb through my office window during a riot in the 1980s. It isn't pleasant and the thought of being in that situation with children in the house is chilling.

The fact that my employer failed to have the window repaired for several months made it rather unforgettable by December.

jgw1 · 23/05/2023 20:39

DePfeffoff · 23/05/2023 19:43

Sadly he's been referred to the cops again for his lockdown-related activities. Something tells me that those, too, will go well beyond eating cake.

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Shh, don't tell @Janiie they will be distraught.

Hopefully cutnpastova will be along shortly with something to distract us with.

The only question that remains is, that was this announced today to distract from Suella, or was Suella's criminality announced this week to distract from Boris'?

itsgettingweird · 23/05/2023 20:40

CabernetSauvignon · 23/05/2023 16:56

Interesting nugget I discovered. For a time, the information about Braverman on her Chambers website claimed that she had contributed to another barrister's book on the law of gambling for local authorities. It later emerged that her sole contribution was doing some photocopying for the book on one occasion. The claim disappeared from the website shortly after The Big Issue. reported on this, and it was pointed out that it's pretty serious for a practising barrier to include information they know to be false on a chambers profile and it was referred to the Bar Standards Board. I don't know whether they've investigated it yet, but they are also investigating her following a number of other referrals based on her public activities and pronouncements.

Including her tweet re Dom Cummings not breaking the law before it has even been investigated.

Problem with telling so many lies and mistruths and distortions if the truth so often in so many different areas of life is eventually either you've forgotten what you said because it's harder to remember the truth if a fabrication than the actual truth or you get so far around publicly that like is proven here enough people have worked with and for her who know enough people and the ripple affect appears and eventually your stuck in the middle of the pond and no one wants to send a life raft.

Clavinova · 23/05/2023 20:42

CabernetSauvignon
On one of the few occasions when she represented the government in court she failed lamentably. Joshua Rosenberg's comment on it is very accurate

Not really - it depends on the purpose of her submission. Equally valid quotes here (including from the secret barrister and one of the lawyers quoted in your post above):
"... or an attempt at political point scoring"
"It is aimed at garnering media headlines"

itsgettingweird · 23/05/2023 20:50

Cabernet the interesting thing re this case was the real time events were widely reported in the media as they happened. Obviously some outlets printed the story as it was wanted to be portrayed which on investigation wasn't how events unfolded at the time.

They couldn't go to the CPS with a case because there was no evidence of law breaking. Just evidence someone suspected something was about to happen and acted to stop it.

She asked over and over can you se if "<very specific action happened>".

No,evidence could be found because it didn't exist. She was fuming because they couldn't continue to publicly run the matter I've that suited them because there was no evidence.

I only knew about case and events because I was involved through other avenues.

People think we are being awful when we call her vile. But yet many people who had actually had to deal with her all find her sleepy slimey and vile and rude and demanding and would probably kill her own mother for personal gain!

LlynTegid · 23/05/2023 20:50

I don't expect to agree with the government of the day on most things, but I think that ministers should at least be competent.

If we accept that Michael Gove has a clue, and Ben Wallace does, could anyone name two more?

itsgettingweird · 23/05/2023 20:50

greencardigangirl · 23/05/2023 17:34

@DePfeffoff the way a particular poster goes on and on about the cake you'd think she made it, iced it and fed it to her beloved Boris

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

itsgettingweird · 23/05/2023 20:52

newnamethanks · 23/05/2023 19:46

Its bloody awful. I am a respectable, law-abiding old girl, living in a quiet little city, never had anything to do with the police, never had cause to, luckily. So I have no personal reason to automatically disbelieve them. But I do. And when I saw the news reports this morning, stating no police involvement, I wondered how long it would be before they admitted it. Dreadful state of affairs not helped by a government adopting lying as the automatic response to anything negative. My condolences to anyone affected by this.

Sadly I also thought that.

My immediate thought was why would locals riot about police involvement if they weren't involved.

It would be easy to prove.

The fact they were rioting (although wrong) to me showed they knew the reasons for their behaviour would be proven true.

luckylavender · 23/05/2023 20:54

MushMonster · 22/05/2023 17:06

Well.... read the news..... about Suella Braverman, perhaps?
I do not know any Stella Braverman..

Her real name is Sue Ellen actually.

lljkk · 23/05/2023 20:54

Rory Stewart is also buddies with Kwasi Kwarteng, they were at Eton together.

Clavinova · 23/05/2023 21:06

lieselotte
People on here have said they've worked with her and she has few in the way of brain cells

It's been reported that Suella Braverman co-founded the Rwanda charity with Cherie Blair - presumably Cherie Blair thought Braverman was ok?

OneTC
I can't believe that anyone thinks this is a fuss about nothing

Guardian Comment -
Get a grip, Westminster – Suella Braverman speeding is hardly the issue of the day
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/may/22/westminster-suella-braverman-speeding-home-secretary

itsgettingweird · 23/05/2023 21:17

So what if she though her ok?

There's people who thought Hitler was ok. People who think Putin is ok.

TheHandmaiden · 23/05/2023 21:17

It's been reported in the Guardian that the Cabinet have to get civil servants to fact check Braverman's briefings because they are inaccurate when she speaks to her colleagues.

Unfavourable comparisons drawn against Priti Patel!

Clavinova · 23/05/2023 21:34

jgw1
Hopefully cutnpastova will be along shortly with something to distract us with

Since you've asked so nicely...

I see that Labour's last Attorney General in office was Baroness Scotland;

The Attorney General was clinging to her job today after comparing a breach of immigration law with not paying the congestion charge.
In a huge blow to Gordon Brown, Baroness Scotland was fined £5,000 for employing an illegal immigrant as her housekeeper.
The Prime Minister refused to sack the minister because she had committed only a "technical" breach of the law in failing to keep a copy of 27-year-old Loloahi Tapui's passport.
But despite issuing a statement apologising for her error, Lady Scotland later appeared to dismiss the fine by comparing it with a motoring offence.
https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/baroness-scotland-s-ccharge-excuse-for-ps5k-fine-6715080.html

Labour's last three Shadow Attorney Generals all have something in common I see:
Baroness Chakrabarti - she opposes grammar schools on the grounds of social divisiveness and because she says they enforce segregation. Her son attends Dulwich College, a fee-paying private school...

Lord Falconer - Falconer placed his three sons at independent Westminster School and St Paul's School and his daughter at independent South Hampstead School.

Emily Thornberry - in April 2005, it was reported that Thornberry and Nugee had sent their son to the partially selective Dame Alice Owen's state school, 14 miles (23 km) from their home and outside her constituency... Later, Thornberry's daughter attended the same school.

Perhaps barristers are 'special' after all - I thought Labour were opposed to private schools and selective state schools?

jgw1 · 23/05/2023 21:37

Clavinova · 23/05/2023 21:34

jgw1
Hopefully cutnpastova will be along shortly with something to distract us with

Since you've asked so nicely...

I see that Labour's last Attorney General in office was Baroness Scotland;

The Attorney General was clinging to her job today after comparing a breach of immigration law with not paying the congestion charge.
In a huge blow to Gordon Brown, Baroness Scotland was fined £5,000 for employing an illegal immigrant as her housekeeper.
The Prime Minister refused to sack the minister because she had committed only a "technical" breach of the law in failing to keep a copy of 27-year-old Loloahi Tapui's passport.
But despite issuing a statement apologising for her error, Lady Scotland later appeared to dismiss the fine by comparing it with a motoring offence.
https://www.standard.co.uk/hp/front/baroness-scotland-s-ccharge-excuse-for-ps5k-fine-6715080.html

Labour's last three Shadow Attorney Generals all have something in common I see:
Baroness Chakrabarti - she opposes grammar schools on the grounds of social divisiveness and because she says they enforce segregation. Her son attends Dulwich College, a fee-paying private school...

Lord Falconer - Falconer placed his three sons at independent Westminster School and St Paul's School and his daughter at independent South Hampstead School.

Emily Thornberry - in April 2005, it was reported that Thornberry and Nugee had sent their son to the partially selective Dame Alice Owen's state school, 14 miles (23 km) from their home and outside her constituency... Later, Thornberry's daughter attended the same school.

Perhaps barristers are 'special' after all - I thought Labour were opposed to private schools and selective state schools?

@Clavinova Have you been advised as to whether the announcement of Boris' latest law breaking is to distract from Suella's or is Suella's there to distract from Boris'?

TheHandmaiden · 23/05/2023 21:39

The major headline is...

Suella less liked and less competent than Priti Patel!

That is "world beating" to use a Johnsonism

jgw1 · 23/05/2023 21:46

TheHandmaiden · 23/05/2023 21:39

The major headline is...

Suella less liked and less competent than Priti Patel!

That is "world beating" to use a Johnsonism

Its an achievement I would be proud of.

WarningToTheCurious · 23/05/2023 21:55

Perhaps Harry Hill could determine who’s better - Braverman or Patel? There’s only one way to find out …

pointythings · 23/05/2023 22:04

@Clavinova just to pick you up on a point: Labour is not opposed to private schools;. They are opposed to private schools pretending to be charities so they can dodge VAT.

As you were.

Clavinova · 23/05/2023 22:21

pointythings
just to pick you up on a point: Labour is not opposed to private schools

This is odd then;
Falconer applied to be the Labour candidate for the safe seat of Dudley North ahead of the 1997 general election, but he "fluffed" his interview with the Labour constituency committee by refusing to take his four children out of public schools.