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Why aren't parents correcting their DC?

394 replies

Meili04 · 18/05/2023 12:46

I just saw the DM article about an 11 year old boy being tasered for brandishing a knife over a tantrum in burger king. The mum said they were too harsh. I've seen this in my DDs school their child is a little angel and can do no wrong. If my child is mean to another child I correct the behaviour , if they rude I do the same.
My DC is a human being with faults and isn't perfect 100 percent of the time, no person is.

Why can some parents see no fault in their child? Our responsibility as parents is to bring up DC to be functioning adults who thrive. Treating DC as mini deities does them no favours. I think parenting is becoming too gentle. AIBU?

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IamSlave · 19/05/2023 22:09

@silverspoonsz

You said it all.
ESCOBARS mum said he was a sweet boy who helped charity.

caringcarer · 19/05/2023 23:06

Let's not forget it took 5 police officers to remove some golly dolls from a shelf on display in a pub.

Aaaaandbreathe · 19/05/2023 23:14

Nicknacky · 19/05/2023 21:36

The Daily Mail had the tik tok that he was recording.

I don't read the DM. I'm not saying he didn't, I just meant that's not the video I saw so I was basing it on what I did see.

Nicknacky · 19/05/2023 23:17

Aaaaandbreathe · 19/05/2023 23:14

I don't read the DM. I'm not saying he didn't, I just meant that's not the video I saw so I was basing it on what I did see.

Ok, I’m just letting you know his tik tok does exist.

Nicknacky · 19/05/2023 23:17

Or at least his video, if it’s not a tik tok

Aaaaandbreathe · 19/05/2023 23:26

Meili04 · 19/05/2023 22:02

Again sure but as you will know people with LD vary with capacity. Just because someone has a LD does not mean they lack capacity to know right from wrong. Someone with severe LD who lacks capacity around violence etc wouldn't know how to sequence this much , film a live stream on tiktok while brandishing a knife and yelling abuse.

Sequence? They know how to use a phone to video and know what they've seen online.

If my DD was brought up in a violent household, watched other people sharing the same then had a gun (albeit not a real gun) pointed at her she may act differently. No idea the background but it's not far fetched. If people are blaming the parent then they are blaming his upbringing, surely?

Anyway, you've decided the boy is a menace to society and that you are qualified to judge on disabilities so no point adding anymore.

Aaaaandbreathe · 19/05/2023 23:30

Nicknacky · 19/05/2023 23:17

Ok, I’m just letting you know his tik tok does exist.

Thank you. Not sure I want to watch it to be honest. I heard him swearing at the police and heard the scream when he was tasered so that's enough for me and I've become too invested in this thread!

Nicknacky · 19/05/2023 23:32

Aaaaandbreathe · 19/05/2023 23:30

Thank you. Not sure I want to watch it to be honest. I heard him swearing at the police and heard the scream when he was tasered so that's enough for me and I've become too invested in this thread!

You clearly have. You can’t accept there was more to this than a 1 minute clip.

Aaaaandbreathe · 20/05/2023 00:03

Nicknacky · 19/05/2023 23:32

You clearly have. You can’t accept there was more to this than a 1 minute clip.

The one minute clip was all that mattered because that was the point of the tasering and what happened directly before it. Or are you claiming that his behaviour annoyed the police so much it's understandable because they, themselves, couldn't control themselves?

Not sure about your comprehension skills but I have already said I heard him swearing at the police. I know he said he was filming it for ticktok. I know he was tasered when he wasn't within a distance to hurt anyone and heard the scream, but I have no idea why you think I'd want to watch the same from a different view? I thanked you for giving me the information that there was a ticktok video yet you say I can't accept it? Very strange.

Maybe the police officer wanted to become tiktok famous and that's why he did it? He knew that was the child's intention and he certainly wasn't at risk of physical harm. Who knows. I'm not arguing with you. Enjoy your evening.

Meili04 · 20/05/2023 00:05

Aaaaandbreathe · 19/05/2023 23:26

Sequence? They know how to use a phone to video and know what they've seen online.

If my DD was brought up in a violent household, watched other people sharing the same then had a gun (albeit not a real gun) pointed at her she may act differently. No idea the background but it's not far fetched. If people are blaming the parent then they are blaming his upbringing, surely?

Anyway, you've decided the boy is a menace to society and that you are qualified to judge on disabilities so no point adding anymore.

Again how do you know my qualifications? Again just because someone has an LD does not mean they lack capacity to commit crimes. Check out the law on this. The vast majority of people of people with LD are classed as mild which is iq between 50-69 which is a developmental age of around 12 years old. Severe LD and profound is below 34.

The people who lack capacity would not livestream a tiktok, while brandishing a knife and shouting abuse all at the same time, because they would struggle to do all these things at the same time.

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RobertaFirmino · 20/05/2023 00:58

Imagine having a butter knife shoved in your eye socket, up your nostril or in your mouth before you say there was 'no risk'.

Coyoacan · 20/05/2023 01:09

Imagine having a butter knife shoved in your eye socket, up your nostril or in your mouth before you say there was 'no risk'

God bless your imagination, but then they should taser people who carry spoons and forks too as well as all kinds of other things, like pens and pencils.

Aaaaandbreathe · 20/05/2023 01:10

Meili04 · 20/05/2023 00:05

Again how do you know my qualifications? Again just because someone has an LD does not mean they lack capacity to commit crimes. Check out the law on this. The vast majority of people of people with LD are classed as mild which is iq between 50-69 which is a developmental age of around 12 years old. Severe LD and profound is below 34.

The people who lack capacity would not livestream a tiktok, while brandishing a knife and shouting abuse all at the same time, because they would struggle to do all these things at the same time.

I don't need to know your qualifications to know you're wrong.

Of course people with LD on different degrees know right from wrong.

My daughter does not have full capacity but knows how to live stream and copies what she's seen (fortunately not videos of people arguing with police or threatening with butter knifes).

It doesn't mean it doesn't affect a situation like this.

It doesn't mean they should be tasered.

I don't think an NT 11 year old in the same circumstances should have been tasered.

There was no risk at the point they tasered him.

The group of adult police had full capacity, were stronger, had weapons and protective equipment.

He did not attack them.

We shall agree to disagree and I'll have a look at my username.

Aaaaandbreathe · 20/05/2023 01:19

However, if you'd like to tell the government and nhs professionals that they are wrong and my daughter has full capacity because she knows right from wrong although can't cope in stressful situations, then be my guest.

Aaaaandbreathe · 20/05/2023 01:25

Coyoacan · 20/05/2023 01:09

Imagine having a butter knife shoved in your eye socket, up your nostril or in your mouth before you say there was 'no risk'

God bless your imagination, but then they should taser people who carry spoons and forks too as well as all kinds of other things, like pens and pencils.

Exactly. He was trying to back away from them. Couldn't jump up and gouge their eye out if he tried.

That example from a PP would work if they were in close proximity. Even civil law requires close proximity never mind criminal and that wasn't the case here.

wildinthecountry · 20/05/2023 01:37

Coyoacan · 20/05/2023 01:09

Imagine having a butter knife shoved in your eye socket, up your nostril or in your mouth before you say there was 'no risk'

God bless your imagination, but then they should taser people who carry spoons and forks too as well as all kinds of other things, like pens and pencils.

The Yorkshire Ripper got a pen/pencil shoved in his eye while in Broadmoor .
Anyone waving an implement around in a threatening way is using a weapon .

DreamTheMoors · 20/05/2023 01:39

I haven’t read the full thread, but I read yesterday that a 95-year-old woman suffering from dementia in Australia was tasered by police because she had a knife in her hand - while using a walker. She fell to the floor.
Last I heard she was fading in and out of consciousness at hospital.

I don’t know who called the police, but a witness said all she needed was a kind word.
That’s all I remember.

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Meili04 · 20/05/2023 10:46

Aaaaandbreathe · 20/05/2023 01:10

I don't need to know your qualifications to know you're wrong.

Of course people with LD on different degrees know right from wrong.

My daughter does not have full capacity but knows how to live stream and copies what she's seen (fortunately not videos of people arguing with police or threatening with butter knifes).

It doesn't mean it doesn't affect a situation like this.

It doesn't mean they should be tasered.

I don't think an NT 11 year old in the same circumstances should have been tasered.

There was no risk at the point they tasered him.

The group of adult police had full capacity, were stronger, had weapons and protective equipment.

He did not attack them.

We shall agree to disagree and I'll have a look at my username.

An 11 year old NT would be tasered If they wouldn't put a knife down. There's zero tolerance to knives by the police and nhs services. Anyone with a knife would be tasered after failed attempts to calm the situation. It's not safe to do a restraint because one nick in the wrong place , you are dead even with stab proof clothing, that goes for the boy as well.

The police would have judged it as the lesser of two evils. Is it better to do a full on 5 man restraint with potential for severe injury to both or taser which is ranged.

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CabernetSauvignon · 21/05/2023 10:33

Houseupdate · 18/05/2023 13:39

Police are trained to de escalate a situation. I would expect them to try that first. As there is no news article linked by the OP I have no idea if this happened.

This. I find it extraordinary that three trained police officers can't sort out an 11 year old with a butter knife without tasering him. How did they manage pre tasers? Ultimately if all else failed they could simply have stood there till he gave in through tiredness.

CabernetSauvignon · 21/05/2023 10:36

RobertaFirmino · 20/05/2023 00:58

Imagine having a butter knife shoved in your eye socket, up your nostril or in your mouth before you say there was 'no risk'.

Come off it. How is an 11 year old ever going to get close enough to one of three adult police officers to do that?

Testino · 21/05/2023 10:39

Something tells me that if this boy were black, these excuses wouldn't be made by posters here.

itsmylife7 · 21/05/2023 10:41

Because they're shit parents.

itsmylife7 · 21/05/2023 10:51

Hopefully the child will not threaten people whilst holding knives ever again,but somehow I doubt it.

itsmylife7 · 21/05/2023 10:51

Testino · 21/05/2023 10:39

Something tells me that if this boy were black, these excuses wouldn't be made by posters here.

😉

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