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NatCs rally take 2

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jgw1 · 17/05/2023 21:35

AIBU to think that the recent NatCs rally in London has been an excellent opportunity for them to show the wider public who they are and what they truly believe for which we should all be very grateful?

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Piggywaspushed · 21/05/2023 08:20

I still don't really understand what a crankety crank is, or how Rosen is one. Seems a perfectly compus mentis , articulate and passionate thinker to me with no weird, outlying views that I'm aware of. Unless being a socialist makes you , by default, a crankety crank.

AutumnCrow · 21/05/2023 11:20

LikeWater · 19/05/2023 11:56

There are many research articles showing this link
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40865-021-00183-7

Including the one I linked earlier which included controlling for parental resources which still showed correlation.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40865-021-00183-7

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1756061616300957
The findings suggest that one may need to consider factors and measures that are beyond the economic or financial aspect of the single-parent families.

Thanks for this. I've downloaded the Kroes et. al. 2021 paper based on the Netherlands data ('Single-Parent Families and Adolescent Crime: Unpacking the Role of Parental Separation, Parental Decease, and Being Born to a Single-Parent Family'), and I'm re-reading it now.

First impressions are: it's interesting but there really are a lot of limitations with this analysis, both the data sets and the interpretive framework. And the future suggested directions don't appear to include a focus on unpicking the relevance of absent fathers. The analysis doesn't demonstrate it has adequately measured what 'household income' is in 50:50 households as opposed to the 'being born into a single-parent household' ones. I'm also curious as to how the researchers carried out their 'controls', and how they are defining concepts such as 'parental closeness' and 'role model' [of the same 'gender'].

It certainly shows how difficult it is getting to grips with even this kind of data set. I imagine that the UK data would be an even more difficult proposition.

Piggywaspushed · 21/05/2023 11:26

The other awkward variable on this is always gender of the child too - and whether and ow far that makes a difference. And, if it does, what strategies might work. The Right like to blame absent fathers (see role modelling) but only insofar as it affects boys, whilst simultaneously claiming women are bit shit at brining up boys. The ability to sidestep the influence of toxic male role models both in a family and in eg social media requires a lot of mental gymnastics.

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