NatCs rally take 2

[jgw1]

AIBU to think that the recent NatCs rally in London has been an excellent opportunity for them to show the wider public who they are and what they truly believe for which we should all be very grateful?

It was a gathering of racist, misogynist, antisemitic, homphobic, policy influencers and it included
Suella Braverman
Miriam Cates
Jacob Rees Mogg
Michael Gove.

They may as well have called themselves Proponents of Gilead.

What can we do about it?

(I don’t mean that in a defeatist way, I really want to do something about it).

Does raising awareness of what JRM, Cates et al actually say help, or does it just give them the publicity they so clearly crave?

@jgw1

Not sure, other than raising awareness.

But then you risk giving them the oxygen of publicity.

How do you beat right-wing fascists without tanks??

For me humourously pointing out the endless contradictions in their positions.
We want more babies. Well immigrants to the UK have the most babies, so do you want more immigrants? No they are the wrong kind of babies.

Does logic work in this situation?

I think we need the opposition to offer hope, a better future. One that people can believe in.

That's essentially what the Nat-C's are doing. It's a lie, but it's seductive.

Yes, it really is too bad that the press weren’t able to gain access. Surely it's in the public interest to know more about the political and cultural ideas espoused by government ministers?

I’m coming to the conclusion that it’s only ‘people power’ that can make an impact here, against so much power and influence and money behind Nat C.
Our woeful complacency regarding climate change is not filling me with hope though, I do think that after 13 years of being put through the ringer and told it’s the best we can hope for, a lot of people have just given up.

I have been thinking about this. My suggestion is:

Focus on Braverman as she is the most senior attender.

Write to your MP outlining your concerns about the home secretary's attendance at NatCon. Be polite and keep it succinct. Ask your MP to write to the home secretary on your behalf (that bit is important) to raise those concerns.

What will then happen is a flunky in the Home Office will draft a reply for Braverman to sign. So she will see your letter and will have to agree the response to it.

It won't change anything, but if Braverman gets a flurry of letters it might give her a tiny worry.

This will be even more effective if you have a Tory MP.

Don't write to Braverman or any of them directly. They will never see your letter. Always go via your MP.

Braverman's attendance and speech were the most troubling part of this conference. She is the UK's Home Secretary.

We are not supposed to worry our little heads about that, according to some!

It’s a shame that Miriam Cates’s thinking on women’s rights thinking came off the rails like this.

Christ that ^^ doesn’t even make sense.

It’s a shame Cates lost the plot.

Or was her thinking always like this, but previously she was trying to hide it?

Daily Mail today.

I haven't seen the article behind it.

Scary stuff which almost seems like they’re nudging us into this. First make it harder to vote then try to convince us that we don’t want to vote anyway.

Well I can understand the desire behind it tbh, I've oftern longed for a dictator to rise up and sort out the shitshow the tories have created (but only if I could be that dictator or, at a push, someone who aligns to my views)

But there in lies the rub I guess, democracy is all fun and games when your views are the views held by those in power. It's not so great the other way around.

The mail and those who read it have had 13 years of governance that aligns with their ideologies and have expressed no concerns about our democratic processes during the time. Now that the tories have fucked things up so badly that the majority concensus is shifting suddenly there's an issue with democracy. Quelled surprise.

I suspect the right will make more and more noise about these sort of things as their grasp on power fades but that's all it will be, noise.

Whatever you think, she was bang on with her views on the dangers of extreme gender ideology and queer theory. Mind you, as that's what most people in the UK think when they find out what those paradigms and their ramifications actually involve, she wouldn't be needing to 'hide' anything there.

I'd like to read something she's authored herself about the rest of her views on women's roles though. Is she full on Institute of Economic Affairs - or not?

Links to evidential sources most welcome.

Not again!

Former Tory Int'l Development Minister, Alistair Burt: "National conservatism seeks to define itself by offering challenges to an imagined set of enemies, to propositions which do not exist... Some are fatuous, but others may be more sinister."

https://www.politicshome.com/thehouse/article/no-place-absurd-natcon-conference

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservative-conference-braverman-gove-trans-b2340833.html

Sorry for the c&p, just wanted to share some views on the conference.

“It is so offensive and so wrong, a completely fringe view of the Conservative Party… please can we stop talking about this?”

@matthancock on Danny Kruger’s NatCon speech about family and marriage.

https://twitter.com/TheNewsAgents/status/1659215778389069825?t=f0GhPQ-kIWK_TR4Z2FqTSA&s=19

Oh I'm going to keep talking about this, I'm going to shout it from the fucking roof tops

Its been strangely quiet on the thread today.
Maybe the supporters of the NatCs have realised that publiciy isn't a good thing?