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Annual Leave / Holidays

122 replies

TheSouthernNortherner2 · 09/05/2023 07:16

I’ve been a serial lurker for some time, but really need some help and advice currently. Sorry in advance that this is long.

The short - my partner is angry with me because I can’t go on holiday with her. AIBU?

The situation. Currently I live in the North and my DD lives with her mum and her mums husband in Cornwall. It’s a 7 hour drive away. As a result of the distance DD stays with me for the entirety of every school holiday, this includes summer holidays, Easter, half terms etc. term time she’s with her mum and stepdad and we only communicate via video calls.

Due to this arrangement, I only take my annual leave when she stays with me, so that we can have the quality time together without work getting in the way. The problem is, I only get around 5 weeks of annual leave per year meaning the rest of the time is spent like a military operation planning with my Rota team at work to only work nights during the remaining time my DD stays and I can’t take any further annual leave. I work for the Ambulance Service, so it’s not totally impossible to do block nights just takes a lot of forward planning and organisation - usually months in advance.

Cue currently partner. No kids. She knew the score from day one. Been together several years, don’t currently live together. Now she wants us to go on a 2 week break to the Caribbean and when I laughed at the mere suggestion she became very upset and angry at me. I explained this isn’t a possibility due to the fact I use my annual leave on DD’s holiday visits. She suggested taking 2 weeks just for us, and doing a “night shift” arrangement for 2 weeks during the summer instead of taking it as annual leave with DD. I said this wasn’t fair on DD, DP says it’s not fair on us that we never go abroad.

I tried to compromise, by suggesting we bring DD for the 2 weeks to the Caribbean, but DP not keen on this whatsoever and says it’s not a holiday when children are involved - sadly I have to agree, there’s never any relaxed moments when you’ve got to keep an eye on an adventurous 7 year old in a foreign land to ensure her safety. The choice of destination was anything but child friendly just to add - think more of an adult resort. This plan was further squashed by the fact DD’s mum is refusing to let her go this far across the world aged 7 as feels her anxiety with the distance would be too much (mums anxiety not daughters) which is totally understandable and her opinion is important to factor into this.

I’ve now dismissed the idea totally, telling DP I won’t take annual leave for anything but DD as it’s unfair to prioritise a holiday over quality time with DD. DP knows that the “night shift” arrangement doesn’t work at the best of times as I’m totally exhausted by the 12 hour shifts, then running on 4 hours sleep and in turn has a knock on effect on my concentration levels which means DD isn’t getting my undivided attention - can also mean a potential compromise in patient safety which cannot happen.

DP is telling me I’m being selfish, I’m holding her back from the normalities of a healthy relationship and why should she have to miss out just because I don’t want to be tired for 2 weeks. I told her to go alone or with friends / family but she says I’m missing the point and that this is about US going away not with someone else. The problem is, we do go away… I regularly take her for long weekends away, last year alone we did Edinburgh, Manchester, North Wales & London - and this was without me taking any annual leave and simply organising trips on my block days off... but this is apparently not the same as a tropical holiday abroad. It’s costing nearly £2,000 which I said could be spent in much better ways for example on a more local weekend away in the UK, and on home improvements like new bedding, blankets, scented candles, new cookware, etc. this could also be used to support local food banks with any surplus money.

DP’s response was that she wants a hot holiday abroad not new bedding and candles. Again, understandable from her perspective.

DP now refusing to compromise on this and has backed me into a corner saying what’s the point in having a relationship with someone who isn’t able or willing to grow, make memories and share moments together and quote “would rather not be tired than to go on an amazing holiday” .

I see her point but her immaturity at the situation feels like a school playground argument. However, at the same time I feel like maybe I am being a bit selfish by just devoting the limited annual leave I get entirely on my DD. None of this is a financial based argument either - we’re both comfortable enough to be able to afford this.

AIBU not agreeing to go on holiday with DP? Help a man out here.. sometimes it takes outside perspective to reflect differently on a situation.

TIA.

OP posts:
ButWhyTh0 · 09/05/2023 08:56

AlisonDonut · 09/05/2023 08:16

Who looks after your daughter when you are working nights?

This was something I was going to ask. If it's your partner I'd be telling her to run a bloody mile.

I don't necessarily think you're wrong but then I don't think I could be happy in this relationship in your partner's shoes either 🤷‍♀️ I wouldn't blame her for leaving and finding someone who's more compatible with what she wants from a relationship which appears to be quality down time together which is fairly standard. Yes yes I know she knew the situation when she met you but people are allowed to try something and discover it doesn't work for them and change their minds. Obviously I don't think she should try and force you but I wouldn't blame her at all for leaving.

AlisonDonut · 09/05/2023 08:57

coffeecupsandwaxmelts · 09/05/2023 08:55

I don't think either of you are being unreasonable.

It's natural for you to prioritise your DD but I totally understand why your partner is upset as well.

I think leaving 7 year olds alone at night is pretty unreasonable.

MaltedCow · 09/05/2023 08:58

AlisonDonut · 09/05/2023 08:57

I think leaving 7 year olds alone at night is pretty unreasonable.

Well that's a jump to make based on the information you have.

HeyDemonsItsYaGirl · 09/05/2023 08:58

TheSouthernNortherner2 · 09/05/2023 08:44

From reading a lot of your comments I guessed it’s only really dawned on me how her mum doesn’t have her for any extended periods of time. I never saw it like that. My view was very much - she has her every day for majority of the year.. maybe I should be more bold and say “this half term I can’t have her” and just see what happens….

Her mum has her 75% of the time. Confused

prescribingmum · 09/05/2023 08:59

Like many other PP, I believe both your points are completely fair but there needs to be some compromise.

If you’re financially comfortable, can you not use parental leave for the time you have your daughter and use some annual leave to go away with your partner - perhaps 2 weeks rather than 1?

Or go away with your daughter in the holidays, maybe Europe rather than Caribbean and pick a resort that has a great kids club so you get some time with your partner while your daughter makes friends and enjoys her time with other children her age?

As an outsider, it does seem your ex is being prioritised over your partner - she can take your daughter out of school to go abroad, you happily pay the fine (even though you don’t get to go) but she calls the shots on where you get to take her?! And she doesn’t have her child for a single holiday - I feel most sorry for your daughter here as holidays are where I enjoy unwinding and spending days at home with my children and your daughter’s mother wants no part in it.

OnlyFannys · 09/05/2023 09:01

As pp suggested can you look at extending your holiday entitlement by taking unpaid parental leave? You are not unreasonable to prioritise your daughter but I can see why it's tough for your partner

TheSouthernNortherner2 · 09/05/2023 09:01

AlisonDonut · 09/05/2023 08:57

I think leaving 7 year olds alone at night is pretty unreasonable.

Your username lives up to your response. At no point did I say I leave her alone at night. When I work nights she has sleepovers at my parents house which they can manage. What they can’t manage is an entire week with her.

OP posts:
Codlingmoths · 09/05/2023 09:02

You say you can take weekends with your partner away. Could you fly to dds town one of those weekends and take dd away to a bnb /hotel, and swap that with her mum for a few days at half term?

AlisonDonut · 09/05/2023 09:02

MaltedCow · 09/05/2023 08:58

Well that's a jump to make based on the information you have.

He works nights for the time he doesn't have leave.

So not completely a jump is it? Bearing in mind that he also said that he doesn't live with his partner.

prescribingmum · 09/05/2023 09:03

AlisonDonut · 09/05/2023 09:02

He works nights for the time he doesn't have leave.

So not completely a jump is it? Bearing in mind that he also said that he doesn't live with his partner.

It’s quite the jump and you’re pretty much accusing him of neglect 🙄. I don’t understand why you even bothered commenting if you have nothing to add

bridgetreilly · 09/05/2023 09:05

Well, your partner has to make a decision. If holidays are more important than you and your daughter, she can leave. Plenty of couples don’t get two weeks in the Caribbean for all kinds of reasons. She is being selfish.

TheSouthernNortherner2 · 09/05/2023 09:06

prescribingmum · 09/05/2023 09:03

It’s quite the jump and you’re pretty much accusing him of neglect 🙄. I don’t understand why you even bothered commenting if you have nothing to add

😉 she clearly missed the part where I said I work for the Ambulance Service and am probably more clued up on safeguardings and child neglect than most…. Under no circumstances did I say I left her alone. She stays at my parents house and they can manage a sleepover… what they can’t manage is 7 days 1-on-1 care.

OP posts:
Bournetilly · 09/05/2023 09:07

YANBU for putting your daughter first but I feel for your partner as well, you don’t sound compatible.

Also your DDs mum has her around 39 weeks per year of course she has her for extended periods of time, she has her most weekends, I’m sure she needs the break.

Beautiful3 · 09/05/2023 09:09

Seems a tricky situation. However your main priority has to be your child. It's important you spend time bonding with her, otherwise you'll end up with a poor relationship. Could you ask for unpaid leave and take your partner away for a long weekend?

Sunshineandflipflops · 09/05/2023 09:15

I can also see this from both sides.

As a single mum, I can't imagine not seeing my child for 6 weeks in one go and it must be hard for you also going long stretches without seeing her. As for her mum taking her out of school for holidays - as a one off, ok (although not something I'd do) but as a regular thing? That's not ok and it's about more than a fine, it's about missed and disrupted education. imagine if every child in that class did the same over the year? There would never be a whole class there to learn the same things.

I can understand your partner wanting some quality time with you and hope you can come up with a compromise, but I have to say, I have been with my partner for 4 years and have never been away alone for longer than a few days as I have children and any 'proper' holiday I can afford, they come with us as I'd feel too guilty otherwise and enjoy holidays with them while I can. My ex also makes it difficult for me to be away for that long. My partner would love 2 weeks away with me but he also understands that he won't get this for a few years yet and has paid more than half the cost of our holiday this summer for my kids to come too.

pizzaHeart · 09/05/2023 09:15

I actually think that YABU here for not seeing that your current arrangements are too rigid and restrict DD’s opportunities locally. It also affects how she feels in mum’s new family. Atm she literally sleeps, goes to school and then good buy at the first day of holidays. It looks like she is in a boarding school rather than in a family home. Her mum is pushing her away and it’s not a good sign, she is prioritising her relationship with her partner.
The arrangement also affects your chances to be in a stable relationship. Of course your girlfriend is wrong to demand that you work nights but she is right to say that she wants a normal holiday together. Nothing wrong with wanting to go on a cruise or 2 weeks away somewhere. Some places are just not worth to go for 4 days.
When she suggested a holiday and you laughed it’s very rude, you basically refused even to think reasonably about her idea,and it’s not a base for a good relationship. Tbh if I were her I would leave you, sorry.

HowcanIhelp123 · 09/05/2023 09:15

Neither yourself nor your girlfriend are being unreasonable. You prioritise time with your daughter, as you should. However, you've dated your partner several years and not prioritised her once. If your daughter was in this relationship where her partner wouldn't go on a holiday with her, explore with her, you'd think the partner was holding your daughter back from enjoying her youth. Yes you've had issues with childcare, you say the nights thing wipes you out so you don't want to do it, but maybe after several years you should try compromise and suck it up for a week or so to maybe book a nice holiday with her for a week? You suck it up for much more than that for your daughter every year.

You are not unreasonable for prioritising your daughter, but you are unreasonable for expecting your girlfriend, or any other partner to put up with this.

Helpisneeded100 · 09/05/2023 09:18

TheSouthernNortherner2 · 09/05/2023 08:44

From reading a lot of your comments I guessed it’s only really dawned on me how her mum doesn’t have her for any extended periods of time. I never saw it like that. My view was very much - she has her every day for majority of the year.. maybe I should be more bold and say “this half term I can’t have her” and just see what happens….

This feels like a tricky situation where no one is in the wrong and quite rightly your ex and you are putting your daughter first, which is amazing. However & I mean this kindly your ex does have your daughter for extended periods of time, in fact she has her for the majority of the year. Which includes all of the admin which comes with a child, school drop off/pick ups, clubs, play dates, school trips/activities etc. I feel it would be unfair on your ex to say she doesn’t have your daughter for an extended period.

SeulementUneFois · 09/05/2023 09:19

NatMoz · 09/05/2023 07:31

I see both sides.

I would want a holiday with my partner. Is there any way you could maybe not have the daughter one half term in the year as a compromise? I appreciate that would be 12 weeks without seeing her though. Can't see an easy solution here

This OP.
Otherwise it means that you work all year and you can't have an actual holiday apart from a few weekend days, while the mum has all holidays free ..

Willmafrockfit · 09/05/2023 09:20

i think she is over reaching
two weeks in the Caribbean is a big ask. not only the cost, but also the time.
is there a compromise, a week somewhere?

Catspyjamas17 · 09/05/2023 09:20

Nice to see your daughter for so long in the holidays but surely it would be normal to accommodate a holiday with your partner at some point. Especially given that your ex has an awful lot of child free time to go on holiday. It sounds like a better balance is required.

Shoxfordian · 09/05/2023 09:21

It sounds like both your ex and current partner are being inflexible tbh - they both should try to compromise with you but if they don’t then what’s your ideal outcome? Would you like to spend two weeks on holiday with your partner instead of with your daughter? Think about what you want

honeylulu · 09/05/2023 09:36

I was going to suggest using some of your unpaid parental leave allowance to boost your annual leave which could free up some AL for a break with your partner.
Maybe every other year as a compromise? I also agree with other posters that you could just say to your ex that you can't have your daughter one half term (again just once in a while). It seems a bit feeble to say "she insists on her child free time". Well you can insist too! She can't force you to have your daughter, only allowing access is obligatory as many threads on this site have shown. What can she really do about it? Threaten to refuse access in future? That would be cutting off her nose to spite her face as byebye child free time! I think your partner is being a bit stroppy given that she should know your child comes first (you are right about that) but don't you think it seems a bit like you will do everything to pander to what your ex wants and nothing to accommodate your current partner even occasionally? That might be what is really grating - your ex gets 13 weeks child free time with her partner plus holidays when she fancies. But when your partner suggests it you... laugh in her face!

Jmaho · 09/05/2023 09:40

The whole situation sounds really difficult
I do feel for your partner as it is normal to want to go on holiday with your partner
It must be very difficult for you to accommodate 13 weeks of school holidays with just 5 weeks annual leave
Your ex does look after your daughter during term time but does get to go on a family holiday and also gets 13 weeks child free time
You get lots of child free time but don't seem to be given the option of a holiday either with your daughter or without
I think the only real option would be a discussion with your ex as to whether she would consider a couple of weekends with your daughter during term time in lieu of a week without her where you could go away with your partner or unpaid leave

Fuming1064 · 09/05/2023 09:50

This is why I used to have a rule to never date a man with kids. OP, I respect you for prioritising your DD, but what you said about not dating another woman with kids because the schedules clash, I'm sorry to say that that feels incredibly selfish.

I would say, gently OP, that you are not able to invest in a relationship or give your partner what she deserves. There had to be some compromise and some investment in relationships. And it's not asking a lot.

Also- yes your ex has your DD for most of the time, but for most of that time she's in school.... and your ex will be getting to use at least some of her own leave to unwind and connect with her own partner, child-free.

And yet, your partner is unreasonable and 'immature' for wanting the same?? For this, you are being completely unreasonable.

Your partner will expect to be lower in your priority list that your DD. She shouldn't expect to be lower than your ex.....