To ask if you have a problem with the burkini?

[Mvslimah]

Honest answers please

would you give a woman (maybe Muslim maybe Jewish) a wide berth if you saw them wearing a burkini or modest (Ie fully covered) swimsuit at a pool?

if you see a woman wearing one do you give it a second thought or is it just a meh, who cares?

tia

Let’s ask him… answer to follow

"modesty is so much more than clothes, it’s how you talk, how you act"

And yet you continue to use it to mean full-coverage clothing despite being repeatedly told other women find it extremely offensive... is deliberate rudeness considered modest in your religion? Maybe worry more about the 'how you talk and act' bit, and less about the 'making sure every inch is covered' bit🙄

To be fair when I have seen a woman wearing a burkini whilst her husband has only his swim shorts on, I have wondered why he doesn't wear a full swim suit. Is this an option for males in the Muslim faith?

ohnonowwhat · Today 23:06

sounds really angry. 🤷‍♀️

My daughters body belongs to her once she approaches adulthood it is not my responsibility to police her on what she wears. Lowering the gaze is the most important thing.

I cover up while swimming because I burn and I can't be bothered repeatedly applying sunscreen. It's not related to "modesty" or avoiding men. I do get annoyed when men are allowed to uncover more especially in the heat but women are expected to remain so. Both sexes get hot.

Does it make you feel better about yourself to be so rude? OP is muslim , it's fairly obvious what her views will be. Constantly asking questions,making digs and then acting all offended is quite daft. You know what she's going to say so what's the point in engaging? Just to act all superior of how much better you are as a human being?

@fairywhale If you think the idea that a woman's body is offensive is a new and alien concept in the UK, you must live in a different UK than I do.
Anyone with a fat body, an old body, a less than perfect body learns pretty quickly how 'offensive' it would be not to cover it up.
Conversely in the good old UK, we learn from our teens that short skirts and cropped tops on our young bodies will 'cause' men to pay attention to us and that if we want to avoid that it is apparantly our responsibility to restrict our clothing choices.
You seem to be under the impression the UK is some sort of utopia where women make choices to suit only themselves, completely above all patriarchal influences, and that the OPs choice to cover her limbs rather than just her breasts and buttocks like most white British women do, is somehow contaminating that. When in truth you have your own ideas of modesty that have also been imposed on you. They're just different from hers.

Yes I'd notice but only because I feel sorry for them having their lives controlled by men.

Are you Muslim? My daughter’s body is her own, even now she has a say (age appropriate and within reason) what she wears, is what she wears and her choice and especially as an adult

Well ideally he’d wear a vest and long swim shorts

I just don’t get how you can find the term modesty offensive sorry because it means different things to different people and what I wear has no bearing on you. It doesn’t make me better or superior to you in my opinion or islamically.

you sound very angry, specifically at Muslims. I think you’ve got some big misconceptions about Muslims

It's not like there are hundreds of schools that are way too bothered about skirt length, bra colours, what kids (see girls mostly) wear on non uniform days and so on.

Oh wait..

I'd give her a high 5, I love my burkini! So sorry you had that experience, I've mostly worn mine in Muslim countries where they are normal. I'm always amazed how people here are all for taking clothes off but not so much for putting them on!

He’s just looked at me like I was barmy, he just said erm that’s a person minding their own business? I pushed him abit and asked if he’d notice and he said yeah maybe she’d be a person in my general area , you notice people around you … hope that answers your question

@Mvslimah I am sorry you had that negative experience at the swimming pool. Out of interest (and I haven't RTFT, so you might have already answered), do you live in an area with primarily white peole? I live in Birmingham and there's lots of Muslims here, so I can't imagine this happening here in my gym.

I'm white, but I am married to an Iranian man and I'm not a convert. We don't follow any religion and my husband doesn't believe in God. So while my husband doesn't identify as religious, many people probably still identify him as a Muslim because of his Middle Eastern appearance.

When our son was very young, we took him on a day trip to a beauty spot. He sat in his pram and my husband put a cloth on his head, sort of like a bandana to protect him against the sun.

There was a woman walking by and she audibly said to her partner "Oh for fuck's sake" while looking at my husband.

We can't be absolutely sure, but we think that this woman thought our son was a girl (back then lots of people thought he was a girl) and that my husband put a religious head cover on our childm

What I am trying to tell is that unfortunately some people think it's okay to openly show their dislike of Muslims. But I think these people are in a minority (I hope)

So you’d think my life is controlled by a man (presumably my dh) because I dress a certain way?

This.

I don't I think it's a cultural thing and religious interpretation. Your mother probably taught and instilled modesty and her mother probably did the same. Its not all mens influence. Turkey for example many women wear the same clothes as westerners no hijab , makeup etc.

We actually live in a city too, with a lot of Muslims, predominantly Pakistani, but we live in zone 3 there are some Muslims and like 2 mosques but they are converted buildings rather than purpose built, the area we went swimming is most white but it’s still a suburb of a big big city with a substantial Muslim population

Amongst my relatives the boys wear full surf suits .

girlfriend44 · Today 20:32
I think what a shame, that they are bowing down to what a man says, when a man can do what they want.
They are agreeing to be treated like a second class citizen, men and women are equal.

I'm glad it's not me. It's time they came out of the dark ages.”

Or maybe they want to wear one?

My mum doesn’t wear a headscarf… her mother was a Christian.

i wear western clothes and makeup. Turkish hijab is different though, I’d often see women with mid calf skirts and a scarf but that almost unheard of here

I wouldn't care.

However I was on the beach on a very hot day, family in front of me had dad and sons having fun and playing wearing small shorts and no top, mum and daughters were head to toe covered in black and all sitting quietly. Just looked medieval and sexist.

Bloody hell, there's some awful misconceptions on this thread! Does nobody ever bother to find things out for themselves? There's really no excuse, we have the whole world on our phones!

A good mate of mine is Muslim. There is no way in this world that she is 'controlled by men' and her DH would not dare try. She is, however, guided by the Quran in the same way others are by the Bible or the Torah.

Most of the stuff people believe about Islam is a load of billy bollocks!

I would notice but think nothing of it. I might be a teeny bit jealous as I would quite like one to cover my saggy flabby menopausal body!