Well, I hated the coronation…

[TheColourofspring]

I can see I am in the minority on here but I found yesterday to be distasteful on a gigantic scale. To watch the most privileged people travel in gold coaches & be decorated with diamonds and gold that is priceless in the face of millions of people struggling to eat/heat their homes just feels so wrong.

Our primary school has just opened a food bank. There are kids & families in crisis- children coming into school hungry & smelly as families can’t afford to wash clothes (I am not joking) - living in Dickensian conditions. Some of the teaching staff use the foodbank.

Yesterday was a display of obscene wealth. The royals didn’t even pay for it- we did. How can we find money for that absolute nonsense yet we can’t find money for large swathes of the population to feed themselves.

While Charles was sitting there in his gold costume holding these priceless items, plenty of families weren’t eating. It made me really angry.

I am tired of all the arguments for a royal family- how somehow these displays are quaint. Yesterday was an obscene display of wealth, inherited privilege and everything that’s wrong with this country. Seems a conversation about the royals is long overdue.

sigh.... ANOTHER hard of thinking closed minded poster. 🙄

They ARE good value for money.

How much money does the monarchy bring to the UK? Investment Monitor

And yes I KNOW some people have already posted this, but I don't care. I'm posting it again. In the vain hope some people will get it ... Although I doubt it, as they don't WANT to get it.

i posted an article backing up the financial gain to the country of having a Royal Family.
Id rather the truth and the id rather the country had the money

@DownNative

<yawn> It proves my point. It’s not really possible to for anyone to be that stupid or dishonest. Falsifying the argument with the word “dictate”- which I have never used - is a case in point. But hey, tell yourself what you like.

@LiveAHappyLifeBePositive I would stop wasting your breath and wasting your time. The Royal Family haters simply do NOT want to hear one single positive of having a Royal Family. They put their fingers in their ears and stamp their feet and scream 'nah nah nah nah nah!' like the ranting toddlers they are.

I assumed facts would prove the point.
Sadly no one is interested in facts or indeed the country.

Nope, sadly not. Their hate and vitriol for the Royal Family blurs their vision, and closes their mind to the actual facts.

Do t waste mental energy on the republican royal family haters. It's spurred on by envy.

100% agree.

@LiveAHappyLifeBePositive some people - including the OP - bang on about 'having a conversation' about this. But (as a few others have said,) the OP and people like her, don't want to have a 'conversation;' they want to TELL us the Royal Family are scavengers and scroungers, and we need to bin them off. Any reasoning, and explaining why we need to KEEP them, will fall on deaf ears because they are all so narrow-minded, and ignorant, and arrogant, and think only THEIR opinion is the correct one.

And there will be no referendum to try to get rid of the Royal Family. As has been said a number of times now, there is no CALL for one, as the frothing anti-Royalists who want rid of them are too few in numbers. The vast majority of the British public want to keep them.

If we DID have a referendum, and the GET RID side lost, they would STILL keep banging on about it. They wouldn't shut up about til they got their own way, which would be NEVER, so they would just never shut up! 🙄

These are the same people who haven't stopped whingeing about losing the BREXIT vote! 7 years on and they're still whingeing, and demanding another referendum. AND they're the same ones who bang on about the Tories and act all shocked when they keep getting voted in 'coz everyone I know does NOT vote Tory EVER, and everyone in my socials is a leftie innit? So how is Tories winning?' THAT'S what happens when you live in an echo chamber that has ONLY people who have the same views as you. You don't realise more people disagree with you than you would like to believe.

Also, it's funny isn't it, how people were happy for £1.2 BILLION a month to be shelled out for the Boys Club 'The EU,' but piss and moan about what the Royal family costs, which is significantly LESS, and they also bring in way more than they cost. Batshit. No joined up thinking at all here! Must be so tiring and exhausting to be full of so much hate for the Royal Family AND those who support them.

Anyway, their moaning and ranting is starting to turn into white noise now. I'm out. The thread is almost at an end anyway.

I just wanted to highlight these 2 posts that say it all really...

@SnacksRLife

People aren’t poor because of the RF. People are poor because of so many factors in life, not one of them is the RF. In fact, a lot of people have jobs, income, training and help and support because of the royal family and their many charities.

Even if we didn’t have a RF, people would still be poor. Those jewels wouldn’t be sold, they’d still sit in the Tower of London as a tourist attraction. The RF have no need to illegally fritter money away for their retirement, be corrupt or dictatorial. They have their job for life as long as they perform their function, public appearances and charity support. I’d trust a member of the royal family over a god damn politician any day of the week.

@OrwellianTimes

You’re directing your hate at the wrong people. The Royals are just doing what they’ve done for 100s of years, they aren’t causing money to be taken out of the poorest people’s pockets.

Direct your hate at the useless government we have who have scuppered our economy and failed to lift a finger against energy companies robbing the nation whilst making eye watering profits.

Dear me, you talk of people ranting. Yours is completely off the scale, never seen anything like it

So vera99 you just made up all that gumf about the clergymen kneeling in homage to the King because of Henry 8th break with Rome?

Or "your spin" as you called it?

It would be wise to check what "facts" you posit.
🙄

I agree.. I have family abroad and all the tourists I know visiting are fascinated by the museums, palacesm culture, theatre, castle, the English countryside.. no one cares if there is a Royal family staying at some of these palaces? In fact we could probably open up more historical houses to the public if all the Royals and the extended Dukes, Lords etc were done away with. The history still remains and can be taught. But a weath built on looting countries in the commonwealth and from inherited priviledge is not something to be proud of at all in my opinion. But there are of course Royalists who will always disagree and enjoy the obscene displays of wealth and pandering to the so called high class..
Saddens me and I really hope change is coming..

The Royal Family haters simply do NOT want to hear one single positive of having a Royal Family

Actually some of us have asked repeatedly for exactly this, but sadly all that's being provided are articles which are themselves open about using estimates - and while interesting, estimates are not facts

Also some of us are able to discuss the issue without flinging insults at those with a different point of view ... you might want to try it sometime

Great post @Kets27

It's long overdue to separate Church and State and remove the King as the head of the Church of England, but I imagine it’s regarded as a bit of a slippery slope that opens up a Pandora's box of examining legitimacy.

From reading Parliamentary website it appears there is separation of Church and State but they work in partnership. For example the State advises the Monarch on Church appointments.

Why would the removal of the Monarch as the head of the CofE open up some question of legitimacy (to be Monarch I presume you are alluding)?
Before Henry 8th Monarchs were not head of the Church in England and their legitimacy was not called in question on those grounds were they!

Puzzledandpissedoff, the problem is, the haranguing and insults come from both sides, showing what an incredibly divisive issue a referendum will be.

I agree the insults come from both "sides", Coxspurplepippin, but still find it a shame

For me the argument's lost when that's mainly what someone has to offer, and while it's true that this can be divisive I'd hope for better than that

It is a shame, but it's obviously what happens when both sides of an argument believe passionately that they are right......

Having experienced similar in the Scottish Independence referendum, the experience causes rifts which are difficult to overcome.

It's my take and in the absence of other arguments it fits the narrative as I understand it. Henry 8th did establish the Church of England in opposition to Rome, and in so doing returned the power to the monarch over the clergy. Kneeling before the monarch establishes that power hierarchy and as far as I’m aware the King does not kneel before the Archbishop, only before God.

I'm trying to find a backup for that and started with the order of service - skim reading the words in print you may wish to reserve "gumf" for that ! No wonder the King believes in homeopathy......

https://www.churchofengland.org/sites/default/files/2023-04/23-24132%20Coronation%20Liturgy%20Commentary.pdf

Because if you start salami slicing the roles of the monarch based on logic and reason you may arrive at an end point, like Lear's Knights of why one. Before Henry 8th there wasn't an option which didn't involve the removal of your head most probably combined with heinous tortures. Real mafia stuff before the serious laundering of the loot through centuries of existence.

I’m sorry but I don’t understand how children are hungry and smelly. What are parents doing wrong? I was a single mum with a part time job and tax credits many moons ago and I paid rent, ran a car, bought soap and ate well. I also managed to afford sanitary products for myself. If you are on benefits with children why can you not afford a 50p bar of soap? I would bet they have tattoos, fake nails and a bloody good smartphone though (the parents, not the unfortunate children).

Did you see Evicted on BBC? I started out watching it with total sympathy, but I couldn’t help but notice all the women involved had acrylic nails, dogs and expensively branded clothing. One of them filmed herself on a trip to the salon to do what was essentially a box dye.

You'll find my post in this thread demonstrating how the UK does have a separation of powers:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4800419-i-am-indifferent-to-the-monarchy-but-aibu-to-think-it-all-feels-very-weird-and-drab?page=15

Sources and excerpts are provided too.

You'll find it interesting, I think.

https://twitter.com/LondonEconomic/status/1655689123636695040

And to all the people on this thread who questioned what I said about poverty, watch this from steph’s lunch programme on channel 4