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Well, I hated the coronation…

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TheColourofspring · 07/05/2023 06:02

I can see I am in the minority on here but I found yesterday to be distasteful on a gigantic scale. To watch the most privileged people travel in gold coaches & be decorated with diamonds and gold that is priceless in the face of millions of people struggling to eat/heat their homes just feels so wrong.

Our primary school has just opened a food bank. There are kids & families in crisis- children coming into school hungry & smelly as families can’t afford to wash clothes (I am not joking) - living in Dickensian conditions. Some of the teaching staff use the foodbank.

Yesterday was a display of obscene wealth. The royals didn’t even pay for it- we did. How can we find money for that absolute nonsense yet we can’t find money for large swathes of the population to feed themselves.

While Charles was sitting there in his gold costume holding these priceless items, plenty of families weren’t eating. It made me really angry.

I am tired of all the arguments for a royal family- how somehow these displays are quaint. Yesterday was an obscene display of wealth, inherited privilege and everything that’s wrong with this country. Seems a conversation about the royals is long overdue.

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Coxspurplepippin · 08/05/2023 21:40

LiveAHappyLifeBePositive · 08/05/2023 21:37

Not really.
Only 20% of the population actually pay more in to the tax system than they get out ( ie in other benefits for housing or UC and so on ).

So £7.50 or thereabouts

LiveAHappyLifeBePositive · 08/05/2023 21:42

Roussette · 08/05/2023 21:18

Yes.

If I met someone I had huge respect for (there's lots out there), it would be a firm handshake and a warm smile from me.
Not a bending of the knee, bowing my head, showing my servility.

Taking your hat off when going into someone’s house or a church.?

Although I believe it’s ‘each to their own’.
If people want to show respect in a certain manner they have every right to.

SunnyEgg · 08/05/2023 21:44

LiveAHappyLifeBePositive · 08/05/2023 21:37

Not really.
Only 20% of the population actually pay more in to the tax system than they get out ( ie in other benefits for housing or UC and so on ).

I wonder where the 20% fall in terms of pro monarchy or against (or indifferent)

v others

cavalier · 08/05/2023 21:45

Well .. we can either have Royals or a dictator .. take your pick and I absolutely know who I prefer
if you want a Corbyn .. Putin or Hitler figure .. then you need to go to another country ..

LiveAHappyLifeBePositive · 08/05/2023 21:47

Coxspurplepippin · 08/05/2023 21:40

So £7.50 or thereabouts

Seems about right, I did the maths aswell and thought it was reasonable. Especially as lots of companies will have benefitted from such a big do.

Roussette · 08/05/2023 21:52

cavalier · 08/05/2023 21:45

Well .. we can either have Royals or a dictator .. take your pick and I absolutely know who I prefer
if you want a Corbyn .. Putin or Hitler figure .. then you need to go to another country ..

Good grief, how do all those European countries without monarchies cope with their dictators I wonder...

NCGrandParent · 08/05/2023 21:52

Why did you watch it @TheColourofspring ? Genuine question. I have same feelings as you about it but that's why I didn't watch it or engage in any of the coverage. I am acting as though it is an irrelevance. Even though I am seething at the fact I am unwillingly contributing to the freak show.

DownNative · 08/05/2023 22:02

Mirabai · 08/05/2023 21:23

I didn’t attack you personally, just highlighted the considerable problems with your posts.

The taxpayers vote in the representatives that align with the level of taxation they want snd the policies they want that tax spent on. And if they’re not happy with that representation they vote them out.

Taxpayers have thus recently voted in successive Tory governments, including red wall voters who have never voted Tory before, because they wanted £££ billions directed Brexit. Brexit is the single biggest waste of funds of last 50 years and it was all taxpayer directed.

The Labour landslide victory of 1997 followed 15 years or so of Tory governments that starved public services including transport, NHS and education to name but a few. Voters were over low taxes + low level of public services as well as the corruption and cronyism of the Tories. Voters philosophised that if they paid a bit more in tax, they would get more for their money. Thus Labour won over sufficient floating voters and Tories to win an election promising greater investment in all those areas. That investment duly followed, and transport, NHS waiting times and funding for education improved noticeably.

On the contrary, you've failed to point out any real problems with my posts.

Once again, we see you wrongly conflating the electorate changing the Government with the electorate having a say in how their taxes go. Those are two different things! 🤦‍♂️

If you truly believe the taxpayer has the ability to dictate where their taxes go, it will not be difficult for you to provide the direct evidence of it. Not rhetoric.

So.....once again, it is our elected representatives who decide where our taxes go. It's the job of the Government to draw up a budget and the job of the Official Opposition to scrutinise it.

But you and I have no right to withhold funding from the Monarchy or the Armed Forces and give it to the NHS or schools, for example.

We consent to being taxed precisely because we have representation in Parliament, but this confers no right on allocation of our taxes where we might personally want them to go.

It's that simple.

Rugbyballhead · 08/05/2023 22:28

There always has been and always will be super rich and super poor people. Getting rid of the monarchy would not change that.
I like having a royal family! It's great seeing old traditions carried out and I love seeing the carriages, uniforms, jewels, horses etc.
If you don't like it, why did you watch it?

Lovely13 · 08/05/2023 22:35

Banish the monarchy and your proletariat will be no more enriched. But they will be bamboozled by the likes of Johnson, head of state! Can you imagine! He will definitely be wealthier as a result.

Elisi · 08/05/2023 22:55

What a one-sided argument. Monarchies in Europe are figureheads, not policy-makers. Taxpayers money? Last year alone, the Royal Family INCREASED our economic income by nearly £2BILLION. In a world that is increasingly insecure, long-held traditions like the Coronation give a much-needed and much-appreciated boost to morale, it's a beautiful spectacle and the entire world watches. Want to be a piddly little Republic like France? Yeah, thought not.

PrettyMaybug · 08/05/2023 23:03

Happylady165 · 08/05/2023 20:33

Totally agree with you OP.

I’m not entirely sure how/why people can watch it and not question the extreme equality, classism, nepotism and huge links to colonialism.

There has been great interviews with some of the people staffing the event, where some said they were given no lunch, toilet or drink breaks and are being paid minimum wage for they 18 hour shift. Meanwhile a man born into wealth rides by in a golden carriage 🙄

LOL, as if someone would have an EIGHTEEN HOUR shift with no toilet breaks or food breaks. D minus. Must try harder. If anyone actually DID say that, (and do post a link to prove it,) then they are lying.

treneton · 08/05/2023 23:05

Raising the retirement age for all from 62 to 64 ? Clean rivers and seas ? Cheaper food ? Mediterranean beaches ? Much cheaper utility bills ? An option to remove the head of state ? A passport that allows me to work, travel and live in any other EU state ? Great wine and cheese ? Dirt cheap beautiful properties in the countryside ?

Oui , por favor !

PrettyMaybug · 08/05/2023 23:05

@CantBeArsedOrAsked

There will always be people richer than you OP. If we didn't have a Royal Family there'd be something else for you to be jealous of.

Grin
PrettyMaybug · 08/05/2023 23:08

Sassoon · 08/05/2023 20:59

From reading this thread I don't actually think you're in a minority either 🤷‍♀️

Yeah she is. There is not even enough of a majority of Royal Family haters to warrant a referendum. Shame....... 😥😩

RocketIceLollie · 08/05/2023 23:11

Oh dear gosh can you just imagine how vile the lead up to a referendum on the monarchy would actually be? After the fallout from the EU referendum I think it would be wise to side step a monarchy referendum. The country feels so divided as it is at the moment let alone a debate and referendum on the monarchy. It would be stirring a hornets nest in my opinion.

PrettyMaybug · 08/05/2023 23:18

It would be vile @RocketIceLollie There won't be a referendum though, as the number of people who want rid of them is vanishingly small, compared to the amount who want to keep them, or are not bothered either way.

Blossomtoes · 08/05/2023 23:23

It would be worse than vile. I know the Civil War was 400 years ago but surely we don’t need to refight it.

treneton · 08/05/2023 23:24

PrettyMaybug · 08/05/2023 23:18

It would be vile @RocketIceLollie There won't be a referendum though, as the number of people who want rid of them is vanishingly small, compared to the amount who want to keep them, or are not bothered either way.

Charles the Last?

It's time for a national conversation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHmR5UPcaVo

AHulaHula · 08/05/2023 23:29

Amazing how often the Monarchy is confused with the Government on MN.

PrettyMaybug · 08/05/2023 23:30

treneton · 08/05/2023 23:24

As a previous poster said, absolutely 100% no. These argumentative and vitriolic far left wing royal family haters do not want a conversation. They don't want to hear anybody's point but their own. They just want to get rid of the royal family and do NOT want to hear any other point but their own. To hell with this stupid fucking idea of having a conversation.

katia2 · 08/05/2023 23:39

Trouble is, the rivers are full of poo these days, and so is the sea.

Buffs · 08/05/2023 23:41

Could not agree more.

AHulaHula · 08/05/2023 23:43

It would be like Brexit but even worse ie. people think they know what the problem is, don’t get presented with an actual solution because ‘we’ll figure that out later’ yet crack on regardless with blind faith it’ll all work out.

Oh. Oops.

MegaManic · 08/05/2023 23:50

someone told me that just one crown if sold it would clear the nat debt. Even if that's not strictly true,it would go a long way towards it!

😂😂😂 The current UK national debt is 2.3 trillion. Daily interest is about £250m. Not sure what the crown is worth but I doubt it would more than a week or two's interest.

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