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Brother has no time to visit niece

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NatMoz · 07/05/2023 05:53

I don't go to my parents house often with my 17m DD because it's less child friendly, they usually come to me. My brother hasn't seen his niece since Christmas day so was very upset when she cried in his presence and ran to my mum and dad instead. Every time she was left alone in his company she got upset and he felt upset with her reaction.

I explained that to her he was a stranger. She didn't know who he was and wasn't comfortable as he had not built a relationship with her. He explained he had no time to visit me and that i should go to my parents more so that he could see her more.

My mum did argue his case. I am supposedly 'never in' for him to visit (i am a good manager of time and do not waste it). I explained I'm more than happy to look at my diary and find a date that suits but my mum backed him up and said 'well he does have a life you know'.

For perspective, he is 30, lives at home. Does not cook, clean, do his own washing. He does not MOT and service his car, no finger is lifted. My dad picks him up and drops him off every morning/evening at the train station for work so I'm not really sure where all this time has gone that means he has none! He doesn't even do the food shop!

His only duty is full time employment 9-5pm mon-fri and going out with friends.

I live 40 mins away. I do all the normal stuff shared with my husband to keep a household and look after our child.

Admittedly my mum tried her hardest to get DD to warm to him so he didn't feel inadequate as he was upset by her reaction. She also tried to comfort him by saying he wasn't a stranger but my dad agreed with me. She had no clue who he was.

OP posts:
fitzwilliamdarcy · 07/05/2023 13:29

MargotBamborough · 07/05/2023 12:52

Well how would you phrase it? Apparently the times the OP sees her parents aren't convenient for her brother for whatever reason.

Should she cancel all her weekend plans on the off chance that her brother who never visits her decides to pop in?

Or should they both check their diaries and find a weekend when they are both free and then arrange where to see each other?

“Let me know if you’re free on a weekend soon and I’ll drive over to parents so DN can see you all together.”

Might not work but it just feels more collaborative than getting a diary out and booking him a slot in 6 months time or whatever.

And if he never provides a suitable weekend then it’s all on him and OP has been the bigger person by offering.

MargotBamborough · 07/05/2023 13:42

fitzwilliamdarcy · 07/05/2023 13:29

“Let me know if you’re free on a weekend soon and I’ll drive over to parents so DN can see you all together.”

Might not work but it just feels more collaborative than getting a diary out and booking him a slot in 6 months time or whatever.

And if he never provides a suitable weekend then it’s all on him and OP has been the bigger person by offering.

The OP has already explained that both she and her parents generally prefer to meet at her house, although she does still go to theirs.

The brother has claimed that the OP is never around, which is apparently his excuse for not going to hers, even though presumably she is around on the weekends when her parents drive over to hers and her brother chooses not to go.

Clearly if he cares about spending time with his niece he needs to make more of an effort, either to be at home when the OP is coming over, or to go with his parents when they go to her house. If it's not that important to him then fine, but then he can't complain about his niece not knowing who he is.

It's not up to the OP to run around after this adult baby with not much going on in his life to facilitate a relationship he is complaining about not having.

QuintanaRoo · 07/05/2023 14:03

The OP and her parents may prefer meeting at her house but the brother will have his own opinion. He will have interests of his own and is probably not that bothered about a baby to spend a day of his weekend going to see his sister and baby. Maybe if he felt people were roughly taking turns he would do more.

MargotBamborough · 07/05/2023 14:07

QuintanaRoo · 07/05/2023 14:03

The OP and her parents may prefer meeting at her house but the brother will have his own opinion. He will have interests of his own and is probably not that bothered about a baby to spend a day of his weekend going to see his sister and baby. Maybe if he felt people were roughly taking turns he would do more.

That's fine. It just means having a relationship with his niece isn't a priority for him. But if that's the case then he doesn't get to moan about the situation. He can't have it both ways.

He is the one who appears to want everything on his own terms. He's expecting a relationship with a 17 month old when he can't be bothered to put the effort in and then getting offended when the 17 month old doesn't agree.

Kingdedede · 07/05/2023 14:23

Sounds like he expects everyone to pander to him including a baby! If he’s really bothered then it should be down to him to rectify this, doesn’t sound like you have a close relationship anyway.

Crazycrazylady · 07/05/2023 14:37

Honestly I really don't know any 30 year old single men who work full time who would prioritise their weekend time to see a small child .

WhoHidTheCoffee · 07/05/2023 15:23

Actually, I’m surprised at the reactions here. If one party won’t make any effort but expects the other to not only make all the physical effort associated with seeing each other but to facilitate the relationship with their children - well, I could see how that could get old, fast. And I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect a little flex around the person with the busier schedule as long as that favour is returned.

But I may be unreasonable as I have two siblings who haven’t visited me since pre-Covid. It’s easier to see me at our parents’ house or for me to go to one sibling’s house. Easier for them, I should say. (There’s a distance involved.)

The bottom line is, they just don’t want to - they expect me to do all the running. They won’t take time off work if we visit, but are oblivious to the fact that I have to take time off work to bring the kids up in school holidays in order to be available at the weekend or on their non-working days. If I stopped making such effort because (cue wide eyes and isn’t it obvious? tone) “I’m working!”, I would be told I was being unreasonable. Because the current arrangement suits everyone else.

LlynTegid · 07/05/2023 15:28

Perhaps it would not be a bad thing if your DD had limited contact with her uncle. He is not a good role model.

x2boys · 07/05/2023 15:40

Tbh,I assent a doting aunt when !y sister's kids were born ,I took an interest in them but I think wasemt rising around to hers to see hem I had my boys a few years later and she was much the same
I get tbat your life revived wrong our daughters ,this normal and if she's your parents first grandchild I have no doubt they dote on her to
but your brother has is own life.

CheersForThatEh · 07/05/2023 16:10

Omg the amount of people picking at you here OP is insane.

You're busy and you want a time to meet up.... how bloody rude of you 🙄

Any excuse to have a dig. Yanbu at all.

HappyValleyFan1 · 07/05/2023 20:14

I hear you OP and YANBU I'm not really sure on the nit picking here. I've probably become more cynical since having children but if they want to be a part of their lives and all that...

I have similar with my brother. We were very close before he started a relationship with someone 4 years ago. She has a child from a previous relationship and to be honest there is bad blood between me and her. My son is 1 tomorrow and he's probably seen him 4 times since he was born, not expecting him to have remembered it's his nephews birthday tomorrow but it would be nice if he wanted to see them more

pandarific · 07/05/2023 20:19

Interesting that it’s your mum pandering to him and babying him. I sense weird enmeshment here.

Not unreasonable op, he’s being a bit of a tool.

rowanoak · 07/05/2023 20:44

NatMoz · 07/05/2023 13:04

I feel like people are really bizarrely hung up on the 'check my diary'.

The point was to find a date that was agreeable for everyone with no social clashes (on either side!) so that my brother could have the opportunity to spend more time with DD because he was the one who was upset she cried as she wasn't familiar with him.

If he doesn't want to, then he can't be upset when she runs away! You can't have it both ways!

Hi OP, I understand where you're coming from.

  1. Brother complained about your daughter/his niece not knowing him well.
  2. You explained that it's because he rarely sees her.
  3. You believe this is because he doesn't make enough of an effort.
  4. You offered to set up a mutually agreeable time to visit so they can see each other.
  5. He declined.

IMO, you have done everything you can do. The ball is in his court now. Drop the rope and don't feel guilty.

If he wants to foster a better relationship with her, he can. If not, he's just complaining to complain and he sounds like a big baby and a pain, TBH. Your whole family does!

I have family like this and I just ignore them and do my own thing. I spent years trying to bend over backwards trying to please them and nothing was ever good enough. I finally realized they just liked to complain and be miserable.

So, now I do do what I want and if they (my siblings... as I've cut off my parents) want to see my kids, they'll make it a priority. If not, oh well. They can bitch to each other about it, I don't care, but they'd better not bitch to me about it if they want to stay in my life at all.

Things are so much better this way!

Just concentrate on yourself and your own chosen and created family and don't let your miserable-sounding family of origin drag you down. If you have a party or feel like extending an invite to your brother/family to do something together, go ahead, and it's up to them whether to accept or not. If they in turn extend an invite to you, it's up to you to decide whether it feels in your schedule or not.

Not all relationships have to be fostered. I don't see what a 30 year old single guy living at home with his parents would have in common with a toddler or what he would want to do with her. But if he does, cool.

I have four siblings and two of them are much younger siblings I wasn't raised with (like, 20 years younger... but I'm 42) and they are pretty good with talking on the phone to my kids and being fun aunt and uncle... my younger sister now has a child of her own who is around the same age as my youngest... so we talk when we can but they live 2,000 miles away and it's impossible for me to see them because they live with my dysfunctional toxic abusive parents whom I've cut off. There's also just a limit to how much my 21 year old brother can really "care" about any little child since he's young and single and carefree and stuff, so I try to have realistic expectations.

As for my other siblings, well, even though we're closer in age and they have kids around my kids' age, I've realized that unless I put in a lot of effort and/or did everything THEY wanted to do the way they wanted me to do it, I rarely see them, and that's fine with me because it shows me just how little they care unless it's convenient for them, so why should I care if it's not convenient for ME? I have no interest in going near my parents' house or even my hometown again and all my siblings live in or near my hometown and our parents.

So, if they want to see me, they come out and we do a joint vacation at a mutually agreeable place and time, because I don't want them in my house either. (They're very judgmental and entitled and my home is my sanctuary and I don't want them causing trouble for my husband or kids or me. Nor do I want them knowing too much about my life or they'll go gossip to my parents who will try to get to me more after I've cut them off.)

It's been like 4 years since I wised up and stopped going out to visit my family of origin (at first it was due to Covid, then a cut-off of my parents that happened nearly 2 years ago) after YEARS of flying my whole family out there 2-3 times a year or letting them come whenever they wanted and bring all their drama to us. (Mostly me going out to them though, which they were always demanding/entitled/guilt tripping about.)

And do you know how many times I've seen any of my siblings since then? Only once, when my sister who is closest to me in age came out to a neighboring state for a joint vacation. That was over a year ago and I have no idea if it will ever happen again because she made it so difficult and made a big fuss over the fact that I wouldn't let her whole family crash on my living room floor and dared to ask her to stay in a hotel despite the fact that she and her husband are loaded so it's not like they couldn't afford to.

We can only really change OURSELVES and our own reactions to people; we can't change them or their actions. We shouldn't concern ourselves about what they think or say about us because our opinion of ourselves and doing what's best for ourselves and our own family is what matters. I vowed to cherish and support my husband and put him first. I willingly brought my children into this world and have a duty to support them and put them first as their mother.

I did NOT ask to be born into my dysfunctional family of origin for my parents to control and own and abuse. I did not ask to have my siblings and have a whole toxic family system. I have no duty to put them first or do anything for them. In fact if I were to do that to the detriment of my own well-being and my own created family's well-being like I used to do, then I would be being derelict in my duties towards myself, my husband and our kids. And I would be continuing the toxic family system.

I feel sad that I'll likely never see my youngest siblings again since they are so enmeshed with and dependent on the parents who abused all of us to the point that I had to cut them off. I'm sad that my parents are the one who broke my family of origin like this and therefore the rest of us have to suffer.

But I'm not about to jump through hoops to see people who are still caught up in that system and want to drag me back into it. I have learned through LOTS of therapy and reading how to have boundaries and do what's best for me. Those who love me will find a way to stay in touch to whatever degree possible. Those who don't can't just stay out of my life because I have no time, energy or focus for people who don't want to make any effort and complain about ME not putting in enough effort even though I used to all the time and it made no difference.

So, just focus on your beautiful child and spouse and stop worrying about your brother and your parents. Who cares? They sound like they're a mess and like your parents have enabled this golden child/scapegoat dynamic and enjoy pitting you against each other. Don't let that define you. Step away from all of that that you can't control and let them have each other while you focus on what you can control.

IMO you have done everything right except that you still seem to be catering/pandering to what your parents want too much, and still letting what your brother says/thinks bother you too much. Free yourself of that unnecessary anxiety so you can have a happier life. :) If they really love you they will make sure to make an effort and let you know.

And it could be that brother is just caught up in his own life and doesn't understand why a little kid wouldn't know/love him when he never sees them... so all you can do is explain that it's because he doesn't know her and offer some times you're free to get together in a way that works well for you (I would recommend it being separate from your parents as that sounds like a big toxic mess you don't want to entangle yourself in and get caught up in all the triangulation and enmeshed family system etc.) and see if he wants to come. It sounds like you've already done this so rest easy that you've done your part, and see if he ever comes around to doing his. (He probably won't and in that case, you and your daughter don't need him! All she needs is the love of her parents and you're giving that to her. :))

rowanoak · 07/05/2023 20:46

What do all you people who voted that OP is being unreasonable expect her to do? Arrange her and her child's life around her brother's schedule because he can't be bothered to make an effort and yet likes to bitch about a child not running to him happily when he sees her, because HE hasn't made the time to get to know her?

If so then you all are ridiculous and I don't know how you make it through life with that degree of entitlement.

rowanoak · 07/05/2023 20:47

rowanoak · 07/05/2023 20:46

What do all you people who voted that OP is being unreasonable expect her to do? Arrange her and her child's life around her brother's schedule because he can't be bothered to make an effort and yet likes to bitch about a child not running to him happily when he sees her, because HE hasn't made the time to get to know her?

If so then you all are ridiculous and I don't know how you make it through life with that degree of entitlement.

Also wanted to add to my above comment that OP should not baby and coddle her brother like her parents do. Anyone who thinks she should is enabling him in staying a manchild.

rainyskylight · 07/05/2023 21:00

tbh the brother sounds like a big baby, and your mother agrees with him because she enables and allows him to be so pathetic. Sounds like your father has a better measure on it.

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