To think Camilla should not have been crowned Queen

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She should have been Princess Consort as we were told she would be. Instead the usual airbrushing of history to try and make her acceptable by clever spinning. And positive press. Bit sickening since Edward VIII had to abdicate over marrying a divorced woman.

Elizabeth II said queen consort, not queen. Charles changed it. Take it up with him if there's no difference, he clearly thinks there is and as you know so much better you should let him know he shouldn't have gone to all that effort having the word consort dropped. The original princess consort title was to try to ease her extreme unpopularity with the general public and should have been stuck with. It's really funny watching history in the process of being rewritten.

Uuugggh Camilla is our Queen now.

Sorry for all the modern people out there.

But I didn’t watch today because he decided to make her Queen.

They were very open adulterers both of them and nearly led to the end of the monarchy.

I said this in another thread but I don’t think an adulterer who has behaved as Charles has should be defender of the faith.

The whole, I won’t abdicate and I will make Camilla my Queen thing, it’s all very romantic and what he wants. But it leaves a bitter taste.

It’s sickening.

Sickening? Yet more OTT hyperbole. Honestly, MN today has been hysterical.

You know they've been married for 18 years now? And have loved each other for 50 years or so? It's hardly some sordid affair.

Yes. Exactly.

It’s 2023. Time to get rid of the lot of them.

It's not dropped! It's just different styles used in different circumstances!

How do people not get this? There is no difference in her title as used now and as announced whenever it was the late Queen made that announcement.

When Edward VIII abdicated and his brother became King the then Duchess of York became Queen Consort. And was then crowned and known as Queen Elizabeth. When the current King dies Catherine will be Queen Consort. And she will then be crowned and known as Queen Catherine. It's the same. No change of title, no shenanigans, no rewriting of history.

For anyone to refer to Camilla now as Queen Consort would still be just as accurate as calling her Queen Camilla.

They were very open adulterers both of them and nearly led to the end of the monarchy.

What?

I don’t think an adulterer who has behaved as Charles has should be defender of the faith.

The Church of England literally exists because of an adulterer and judicial murderer who openly acknowledged one of his illegitimate children. For a long time it was the norm for a king to have mistresses, including married women.

@Inkpotlover well actually I do think it’s sordid. They made vows to be in committed marriages to other people. They broke those vows and caused chaos and destruction around them. They dragged the royals through the mud and had all their personal business splashed across the tabloids. They hurt people, their children included.

But it’s all alright now, doesn’t matter what they did, they have each other.

Most decent people would divorce first and then pursue a new relationship.

I did not know that princess Anne once dated Andrew Parker Bowles before he married camilla & they are still good friends. He is god father to Zara.

all got knocked on the head as he was Catholic- church has a lot to answer for. It could have all been so different 😅

Ever considered forgiveness?

I very much doubt Anne seriously considered Parker Bowles as husband material, even if he had not been Catholic, just as I don't think Charles considered Camilla as a possible wife at the time. It does make for a good story however!

Most decent people would divorce first and then pursue a new relationship.

yeah right. 😂 Stick around and read some other threads, especially under relationships. this clearly does not happen.

Is this your first time on MN? Every day these boards are full of stories of about people having affairs and crossing over in relationships. It's obviously not nice for the injured parties but to say it should never be allowed to happen is naive in the extreme.

And yes, it is alright now. They've been married for 18 years!!!!

@DarrellRiversCriminalBehaviourOrder

There was genuine concern in the 1990s that the monarchy would be abolished because of the Charles and Camilla saga. People loved Diana so much that public opinion was behind her.

We’ve been over this in another thread that Henry VIII set up the COE in order that he could divorce Catherine of Aragon to pursue marriage with Anne Boleyn and to stop money being diverted to Rome.

Besides, surely we can have better standards in 2023 than the 1500s.

But we do have better standards. We have a king who has been married to his second wife for 18 years. She's not his mistress, she's his legitimate wife and has been for almost two decades (and incidentally for seven years longer than he was married to saintly Di).

he's not a widower. he was divorced before Diana died

@Inkpotlover I just think people should be able to have some self control and dignity. Respect for themselves and the marriage they entered into to leave it with some grace if it’s no longer viable.

I certainly think we shouldn’t accept low standards from the monarch considering public finance of him.

Unfortunate series of events really. Sorry but not a fan of C&M. Waiting for W&C

@Inkpotlover Don’t really care, have never accepted her, could just about tolerate. Sorry but I thought it was ghastly to see her with a crown on her head.

If other people want to take her into their hearts as Queen, that’s up to them. But not for me.

What low standards though? And why should they apply now? You're talking about the affair as though it's recent, when his marriage to Diana ended 27 years ago! 27! And they'd been separated for five before then. It's ridiculous to say people should forever be held to account for something that happened 30 years previously. Would you like to be held account for something that happened in your dim and distant past?

But what makes me really laugh about Charles and Camilla haters like you though is that even Diana didn't despite them as much – and she is the only person who had the right to. At the time of her death she and Charles were on the best terms they'd been in years.

@Inkpotlover I never said I’m a Charles and Camilla hater. I don’t hate them, I wish them well and great that they can finally be together after such a fiasco.

But it makes me uncomfortable to see them both crowned. I think it would have been better for the monarchy to have abdicated in favour of William.

I can’t muster the same affection I had for the Queen for them. Perhaps that will change in time. But I have quite strong views about marriage and how to conduct oneself.

only Roman Catholic theology which is not relevant here. This country is a Church of England country which recognises divorce and second marriage.

So they behaved in a way that’s been totally standard for the royal family through the ages? Oh well.

I think we'll have to respectfully agree to disagree. I wouldn't turn down the job I had trained my entire life to do because I'd fallen in love with a person others didn't approve of decades previously but clearly you would, based on your answers. It would have no bearing whatsoever on my conduct now.

That's not how monarchy works. You don't pass the throne on to the next person because some might disapprove of your personal life.

Who gives a fuck?

It affects what exactly?

Camilla fans are out in force 😂
The whole thing is bullshit to be fair.