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Controlled Explosion outside Buckingham Palace

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ninemonthstime · 03/05/2023 03:13

I've just read a newspaper article that states that the police undertook a controlled explosion outside Buckingham Palace.

According to the article the suspect said "I'm going to kill the king". However police have said it isn't being treated as a terrorist incident.

Can someone please explain what is classed as a terrorist incident.

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HoldingTheDoor · 04/05/2023 19:49

Sounds like far right terrorism should be taken more seriously then.

You mean by sending them to prison often for long periods of time like the examples above? I agree entirely.

DownNative · 04/05/2023 19:52

cakeorwine · 04/05/2023 19:37

Sounds like far right terrorism should be taken more seriously then.

Terrorism depends on the level of threat - not merely that they are terrorists.

The main threat of terrorism in Great Britain is still Islamic related terrorism which is dealt with by Mi5 as International Terrorism.

https://www.mi5.gov.uk/international-terrorism

Mi5 also deals with Right Wing Terrorism (RWT) and Left, Anarchist and Single-Issue Terrorism (LASIT). That's right...terrorism isn't strictly coming from the right.

The main threat of terrorism in Northern Ireland is still dissident Irish Republican groups. Arm Na Phoblachta is the newest one with the NIRA being the most dangerous one. Mi5 deals with all Northern Ireland related terrorism too.

Outside of London, the UKs most important Mi5 base is actually in Northern Ireland's Palace Barracks.

So, terrorist threat and organisations is very much contextual.

cakeorwine · 04/05/2023 19:58

The main threat of terrorism in Great Britain is still Islamic related terrorism which is dealt with by Mi5 as International Terrorism

I suppose it depends who you are and if you are the target of the terror.

I am sure there are some groups in the UK who would say that Far Right terrorism is what scares them most.

CampsieGlamper · 04/05/2023 20:15

NowZeusHasLainWithLeda · 03/05/2023 06:40

As above:
White British= mental health issues
White American= lone wolf
Brown= terrorist

Although evidence and links has shown this suggestion to be bollocks, it is interesting to review the many many acts of random violence in Germany where an attacker who has recently arrived from afghanistan, syria, Iraq etc has gone apeshit with an axe, knife or firearm, shouting "Allah Akbar" injuring and killing but was announced to be mentally ill.....

M4J4 · 04/05/2023 20:24

CampsieGlamper · 04/05/2023 20:15

Although evidence and links has shown this suggestion to be bollocks, it is interesting to review the many many acts of random violence in Germany where an attacker who has recently arrived from afghanistan, syria, Iraq etc has gone apeshit with an axe, knife or firearm, shouting "Allah Akbar" injuring and killing but was announced to be mentally ill.....

Any statistics to back that up? Or any facts at all? ‘Many, many’ is not a statistic.

There were 1600 attacks ON refugees in Germany. Funny how you don’t want to talk about that.

German police gather outside a property

1,600 attacks on refugees in Germany – DW – 03/27/2020

Authorities have admitted that large numbers of refugees continue to be attacked in and outside of shelters — many by right-wing extremists. One politician said the newcomers can "expect to be attacked at any time."

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-more-than-1600-crimes-targeted-refugees-and-asylum-seekers/a-52935715

DownNative · 05/05/2023 08:27

cakeorwine · 04/05/2023 19:58

The main threat of terrorism in Great Britain is still Islamic related terrorism which is dealt with by Mi5 as International Terrorism

I suppose it depends who you are and if you are the target of the terror.

I am sure there are some groups in the UK who would say that Far Right terrorism is what scares them most.

It's very clear, obvious AND blatant you've not bothered to read the Mi5 website which gives their current assessment of the biggest terrorist threat facing GB today.

Here are the relevant parts:

"Terrorist groups in Syria and Iraq, including Al Qaeda and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), possess both the intention and the capability to direct attacks against the West. The UK is a high-priority target for Islamist extremists and they pose a significant threat to our country and to our interests and citizens abroad. Despite the current main focus on terrorism originating from Syria and Iraq, the threat of terrorism also emanates from other parts of the Middle East and regions such as North, East and West Africa, South and South East Asia."

And:

"The majority of terrorist attack plots in this country have been planned by British residents. There are several thousand individuals in the UK who support violent extremism or are engaged in Islamist extremist activity. Some British nationals travel overseas to train with extremist groups and return to the UK with the view to plan attacks, but increasingly the terrorist threat from within the UK emanates from individuals radicalised by individuals and material online. Once radicalised, an individual might decide to conduct an attack in the name of Islam without any prior signs of radicalisation. Simple, self-organised attacks by UK-based Islamist extremists have increased and are inherently harder to detect than more complex and ambitious plots."

Put it this way, it's easier for Mi5 and PSNI to nullify the threat posed by dissident terrorist Republican groups in Northern Ireland than it is to nullify GB based lone wolf terrorist attacks from Islamic terrorists.

Right Wing Terrorism and Left Wing Terrorism aren't the biggest security threats facing the UK as a whole today. They're even easier to nullify than the dissident Republicans in Northern Ireland!

I've explained that the misperception that white people aren't labelled terrorists and brown people are is largely based on the amount of media cover devoted to Islamic terrorism.

The reason for that coverage is because Islamist extremists are the world's most dangerous terrorist organisations today. I listed them on previous pages.

In the 1970s to the 1980s, it was the Provisional Sinn Féin and Provisional IRA who were the world's most dangerous terrorist organisation. We eventually defeated them through various means which is why they accepted the Belfast Agreement which gave them nothing in terms of their own objectives. We achieved our objectives.

You're talking to someone who has lifelong experience in understanding terrorism and counter-terrorism.

Mum1976Mum · 05/05/2023 08:37

Wonnle · 03/05/2023 07:59

I remember when Mandela was a "terrorist"

Technically he was a terrorist though as he founded the wing of the ANC which was involved in bombings etc. and was personally involved in some which involved injuring citizens. He may have been attempting to right the wrongs of his country but he was still a ‘terrorist’ at some point.

DownNative · 05/05/2023 09:20

Mum1976Mum · 05/05/2023 08:37

Technically he was a terrorist though as he founded the wing of the ANC which was involved in bombings etc. and was personally involved in some which involved injuring citizens. He may have been attempting to right the wrongs of his country but he was still a ‘terrorist’ at some point.

There is no technically about it - Mandela WAS a terrorist.

He certainly wasn't "righting any wrongs" in South Africa since the main deaths caused by the terrorist group he setup with others was of Black civilians.

The State's security personnel were barely touched.

On top of that, Mandela supported PSF/PIRA and told them not to decommission their weapons. Additionally, he was friends with Gaddafi who also armed PSF/PIRA with various weapons including semtex and AK47s.

Mandela never did renounce the terrorism of ANC/MK.

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