Controlled Explosion outside Buckingham Palace

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I've just read a newspaper article that states that the police undertook a controlled explosion outside Buckingham Palace.

According to the article the suspect said "I'm going to kill the king". However police have said it isn't being treated as a terrorist incident.

Can someone please explain what is classed as a terrorist incident.

Ira were always classed as terrorists

Someone with mental health problems. Honestly, aside from the whole Diana thing, what has Charles ever done that is even slightly contentious? He made some great points about climate change 20 years earlier than everyone else too.

Some people just want to rebel. If he gad considered for a moment the likely outcome if his actions beforehand, he wouldn’t have done it. However, the critical thinking skills were lacking=mental health problems.

Yup.
You need to get the Dulux Is This A Terrorist charts.
They come in skin and religion.

But as someone above has pointed out, all the IRA / UDF bombings and shootings were classed as Terrorism and they were white!

What do you call someone who setup a terrorist organisation as Mandela did?

Yes - a terrorist.

On top of that, Mandela supported PIRA and told them not to give up their weapons. Mandela believed terrorist groups shouldn't give up weapons until they'd got what they wanted. There was international condemnation at the time for his view. He never did renounce the terrorism of MK which mostly murdered black people rather than the military arm of the State.

But somehow Mandela wasn't a terrorist(!)

You do know that they go back as far as the early 1920's

Buckingham Palace does attract these incidents from time to time. The Queen had an intruder who actually sat on her bed.

Someone tried to aim a gun at the Queen, a soldier overpowered him and got him to the floor.

Usually nutters working alone, but we can’t say that anymore so their labelled as having mental health issues.

Jo Cox's killer was also charged under Terrorism protocols.

Timothy McVeigh is widely regarded as an American domestic terrorist for the 1995 Oklahoma bombing.

It appears that quite a few people are being selective on how the label of terrorism is applied. Its not based on skin colour, but on behaviour with an underlying ideology. That ideology can be "Brits Out!" as with the Irish Provisional Republican Movement or it can be anti-American as per Al Quaida and so on.

The ETA in Spain were terrorists too who also had connections with the PIRA who also had connections with Al Quaida.

For a country which has prosecuted lots of white people for terrorism offences, the responses on this thread are bizarre. Some of you need to remember we're not the US.

It's a knee jerk response that they always go to, whether or not there's any evidence for it. There was a white supremacist convicted just last week for one. I can list others.

Also You can also be a terrorist and have mental health problems. I'm sure many of them do but having mental health issues doesn't always, or even usually, exempt you from knowing what you're doing and being found guilty. I have mental health issues and if I murdered someone, I'm not going to, then it'd be done with my full knowledge. I'd expect to be found guilty. Someone who has suffered a psychotic break/episode may not be because they're often totally detached from reality.

Yep, about right!
Hate it when they do that

Yep, and terrorism then too with no mandate from the people. The same thing was done to Michael Collins' IRA as was done to the Provisional I.R.A...pushed them towards accepting an international Treaty under conditions imposed by the British Government. Oh, and with a golden bridge extended too. Both took it.

There's a common thread that terrorist organisations have no democratic mandate and don't care for one until they're on the brink of defeat or defeated.

I think you can see how old people are on this. For a big chunk of my life terrorism meant the IRA.

So I still hear mental health as clarifying the person is not in the IRA to stop escalation. And to be honest a coronation and a bomb would still make me think oh goodness are the troubles escalating cos of brexit.

But people are right that the press would describe any brown muslim commiting a crime as a terrorist and not consider that would escalate violence and racism against muslims and other brown people.

Typical mumsnet comments. More concerned about offending somebody than the carnage terrorism causes, be they white,black, gay straight or whatever

You try hitting the percussion cap of shotgun shells with a sharp object and tell me it's nothing. I'll watch - from a distance...

And Comrade Mandela never renounced his Communist party membership.

It also shows ignorance of terrorism related offences within the last few years in the UK.

Not too long ago the terrorism threat level was increased in relation to Northern Ireland.

The attempted murder of DCI John Caldwell earlier this year is an example of terrorism as was the 2019 murder of Lyra McKee.

Simply put, the UK doesn't have a culture whereby only brown people are regarded as terrorists and white people are put down simply to mental ill health.

My sister was in Manchester the day of the 1996,bomb they were told it was a controlled explosion,I assume to alleviate panic ,pretty sure it was classed as a terrorist attack ,though with it being the IRA!

Was it Harry??

🙄🙄🙄

Maybe it was inside job set up by the government to justify the new draconian laws that means anyone protesting the monarchy on the day could be jailed for 12 months.

Give it a rest 🙄

Anyone that's worked in mental health will know how much of a magnet the Royal family are for people who are unwell.

It's really common for royals to feature in people's delusional believes and psychosis. I think every team ive worked on has had patients who have had some form of history with police protecting the monarchy. I've had multiple patients detained near the Palace, or patients who have had contact from the Palace security to stop writing letters. We would get Intel from them at times if someone had suddenly started writing lots of letters to them with odd content.

I would imagine this is something similar. Theres a difference between a though out plan from someone with links to an actual terrorist organisation with a risk to do real harm, to someone acting alone with no links to any organisations, on psychotic beliefs without a coherent plan acting in a disorganised way that may be dangerous (eg throwing bullets in this case)

Absolutely I used to be a mental health nurse and worked in acute mental health wards on and off for years ,royalty and religious delusions featured, quite highly ,I had been qualified about a year when Diana died we had to turn the Tv off in the main patients ,lounge as I recall because some patients ,were becoming increasingly distressed by the rolling news

To be fair Mandela was a leader of the ANC and helped form MK, it's military wing the purpose of which was to overthrow Apartheid by force and by killing of civilians in a terrorist style campaign.

I'm not defending Apartheid obviously because it was an abominable regime and maybe in the same situation I could have justified doing the same as Mandela, but that doesn't mean that good people aren't capable of bad things and I think Mandela should be remembered as human and not held on a pedestal where he never did wrong.