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Controlled Explosion outside Buckingham Palace

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ninemonthstime · 03/05/2023 03:13

I've just read a newspaper article that states that the police undertook a controlled explosion outside Buckingham Palace.

According to the article the suspect said "I'm going to kill the king". However police have said it isn't being treated as a terrorist incident.

Can someone please explain what is classed as a terrorist incident.

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x2boys · 04/05/2023 07:53

Morph22010 · 04/05/2023 07:30

My granddad was arrested on suspicion of being a terrorist once, he’s Irish, it was the 1970s, he fell asleep on a train and ended up in Yorkshire, woke up was confused, train staff couldn’t understand his accent, he couldn’t understand their accent, they called the police.

also in the late 60s mum and her parents came over from Ireland to visit her brother in London. Someone called the police to say a load of Irish people had turned up and police came round and searched the house

nowadays everyone seems to love the Irish

Yep my Dad and his mum and Dad and siblings emigrated from Ireland to.Manchester in the 1950,s
He said as a young Irish man with an Irish accent in 60,s and 70,s it was very noticeable the anti,Irish sentiment.

DownNative · 04/05/2023 07:55

PurpleChrayne · 04/05/2023 07:38

It's only terrorism when the perpetrator is brown!

Another one who hasn't read the thread or ignored the various examples given of white people being terrorists. 🤦‍♂️

Do read back...

KimberleyClark · 04/05/2023 07:59

I well remember the shooting of Harry Stanley by the Met in the late 90s. He was on his way home from the pub carrying a table leg in a plastic bag that had been repaired by his brother. Somebody phoned the police and said an Irishman had just left the pub with a gun in a bag. Stanley was Scottish. Police sent out an ARV, challenged Stanley from behind and shot him dead at 15 feet as soon as he turned round. They didn’t wonder whether he has mentally ill or not.

Tarantullah · 04/05/2023 07:59

I think it's more that the opposite is sometimes true. One of the 'terrorist' attacks was someone who wasn't even religious and had been struggling with a break up and MH issues yet because of the country they were from it was branded terrorism even though there was no religious ideology or other motivation listed in the definition. America certainly has an issue with how they categorise and report things though.

DownNative · 04/05/2023 09:46

cakeorwine · 04/05/2023 08:38

Remember the person who threw petrol bombs at people at Dover who were at an immigration centre.

Driven by far right ideology but not a terrorist incident. For some reason.

Police urged to treat Dover attack as terrorism, as suspect’s home searched | Immigration and asylum | The Guardian

Disingenuous post. 🤦‍♂️

From the peelers:

"Counter Terrorism Policing South East (CTPSE), who have been working with Kent Police since the initial notification of this incident, have recovered evidence that indicates the attack at an immigration centre in Dover on Sunday 30 October 2022, was motivated by a terrorist ideology."

www.thamesvalley.police.uk/news/thames-valley/news/2022/october/31-10-2022/attack-at-dover-immigration-centre---investigative-update/

They require evidence of a terrorist ideology before announcing it when it involves individuals.

And it doesn't confirm the OPs nonsense that Terrorism is based on skin colour. 🤦‍♂️

cakeorwine · 04/05/2023 09:48

DownNative · 04/05/2023 09:46

Disingenuous post. 🤦‍♂️

From the peelers:

"Counter Terrorism Policing South East (CTPSE), who have been working with Kent Police since the initial notification of this incident, have recovered evidence that indicates the attack at an immigration centre in Dover on Sunday 30 October 2022, was motivated by a terrorist ideology."

www.thamesvalley.police.uk/news/thames-valley/news/2022/october/31-10-2022/attack-at-dover-immigration-centre---investigative-update/

They require evidence of a terrorist ideology before announcing it when it involves individuals.

And it doesn't confirm the OPs nonsense that Terrorism is based on skin colour. 🤦‍♂️

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And yet not in the Shawcross list of terrorist incidents.

HoldingTheDoor · 04/05/2023 09:50

@cakeorwine If you'd bothered to look for an updated article, as it was clearly still under investigation, you'd have seen that the Dover attack was declared to be terrorism.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-63526659

It's common for incidents to be investigated before being declared as such. They'll often say, immediately after an attack, that they're not currently treating an incident as terrorism but are keeping an open mind, because they're still gathering information.

Border Force centre fire in Dover

Dover migrant centre attack driven by right-wing ideology - police

Andrew Leak threw up to three incendiary devices at the site in Dover, Kent, last Sunday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-63526659

cakeorwine · 04/05/2023 09:50

cakeorwine · 04/05/2023 09:48

And yet not in the Shawcross list of terrorist incidents.

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Not skin colour. Ideology.

When are far right attacks treated as terrorist incidents?

HoldingTheDoor · 04/05/2023 09:51

X post.

DownNative · 04/05/2023 10:03

cakeorwine · 04/05/2023 09:50

Not skin colour. Ideology.

When are far right attacks treated as terrorist incidents?

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When there's evidence of a terrorist ideology behind it. Obviously. 🤦‍♂️

No evidence = no official declaration of terrorism.

BMW6 · 04/05/2023 10:06

PurpleChrayne · 04/05/2023 07:38

It's only terrorism when the perpetrator is brown!

Utter bollocks as has been proven by the more intelligent people posting on here.

Crying "racism" where none exists really damages the fight against real racism.

Be part of the solution, not the problem.

BloodyHellKen · 04/05/2023 10:18

PurpleChrayne · 04/05/2023 07:38

It's only terrorism when the perpetrator is brown!

I'm beginning to think that most people on this thread are under 25 years with a very basic knowledge of history - UK and worldwide.

I'll say it again, a bit louder for those of you at the back WHAT ABOUT THE IRA (who as far as I can remember were all white). It's very recent history for those of it who grew up with regular bomb explosions - Warrington, Brighton, Omagh etc etc far too many terrible murders. Sadly there are some who would like the troubles to resume - they tend to be white as well.
If you want to look abroad, off the top of my head how about Timothy McVie - also white.

All this (recent) if your white it's mental health issues, if your brown/black it's terrorism is divisive bollocks.

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HoldingTheDoor · 04/05/2023 10:24

And yes there may well be problems with the Shawcross report, I don't know, I haven't read it and I'm not going to, but publication was delayed a number of times and it seems that much of the evidence was gathered even before he was commissioned with making the report so I don't know what period it covers or when it was completed, only when it was published. So yes it's very likely that it's flawed but it's still rather tedious to see people regurgitating the same knee jerk statement on every thread like this whether or not there's much actual evidence to back it up.

PurpleChrayne · 04/05/2023 11:06

BloodyHellKen · 04/05/2023 10:18

I'm beginning to think that most people on this thread are under 25 years with a very basic knowledge of history - UK and worldwide.

I'll say it again, a bit louder for those of you at the back WHAT ABOUT THE IRA (who as far as I can remember were all white). It's very recent history for those of it who grew up with regular bomb explosions - Warrington, Brighton, Omagh etc etc far too many terrible murders. Sadly there are some who would like the troubles to resume - they tend to be white as well.
If you want to look abroad, off the top of my head how about Timothy McVie - also white.

All this (recent) if your white it's mental health issues, if your brown/black it's terrorism is divisive bollocks.

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I lived through the Troubles. Things are different now. It's you who needs to take history and current geopolitics into account.

drpet49 · 04/05/2023 11:12

NowZeusHasLainWithLeda · 03/05/2023 06:40

As above:
White British= mental health issues
White American= lone wolf
Brown= terrorist

This. Colour of his skin

BloodyHellKen · 04/05/2023 12:13

PurpleChrayne · 04/05/2023 11:06

I lived through the Troubles. Things are different now. It's you who needs to take history and current geopolitics into account.

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Yes, thing are different now, but that doesn't mean that there aren't those who would like to go backwards - In Derry, Lyra Mckee was shot by a gunman believed to be part of the New IRA in 2019.

x2boys · 04/05/2023 12:15

PurpleChrayne · 04/05/2023 11:06

I lived through the Troubles. Things are different now. It's you who needs to take history and current geopolitics into account.

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Then you wull.know that 'the, IRA attacks were certainly classed as terrorist attacks

DownNative · 04/05/2023 12:17

PurpleChrayne · 04/05/2023 11:06

I lived through the Troubles. Things are different now. It's you who needs to take history and current geopolitics into account.

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I lived through the Troubles in Northern Ireland. While some things are different, some things really haven't changed.

It still remains that the biggest threat to internal UK security is what's sometimes called "dissident" Republican terrorist organisations.

Not sure what you're trying to say to a pp that they are the ones who "needs to take history and current geopolitics into account". Examples of the last few years showing the OPs argument is rubbish have been given.

But terrorist groups still exist in Northern Ireland and they still coerce their own communities. All the Troubles era terrorist groups have access to weapons today, including Provisional Sinn Féin/Provisional IRA.

Contrary to popular belief, there are now MORE terrorist organisations in Northern Ireland than there was during the Troubles. The culture of glorification of violence that gives rise to them is still there and an example of that glorification is the blatant increase in the "Up The RA!" chants the last few years. Shameful.

snowlaser · 04/05/2023 13:09

ninemonthstime · 03/05/2023 17:11

Thanks for all your messages.

I see that a lot of you feel the same way as myself, ie it's based on skin colour!

And a lot of people do NOT feel the same way as you, ie that whether something is terrorism or not depends upon whether it is to further a political aim.

But you have ignored them and just choose to focus on those who agree with you. This is "confirmation bias" i.e. everyone who agrees with you 'proves' you're right, everyone who disagrees with you is conveniently ignored.