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To think that there would be less anti private school

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Poopoolittlekitten · 02/05/2023 07:36

sentiment or threads on MN if people using private school were a tiny bit more self aware and didn’t ask for sympathy for rising fees or possible rising fees if Labour take away their false ‘charity’ status?

send your kid private if you want, just don’t come moaning about the costs or claim than anyone can go private if they ‘prioritise’ their child’s education they way you do. Particularly at a time when state school teachers are striking over pay and conditions.
And many, many people are working their socks off just to keep a roof over their family’s head.

YANBU - stop whining and looking for sympathy about your fees!

YABU - my milkman sends his 4 kids private by ‘prioritising’ their education so it’s not just for whiny poshos….

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Intergalacticcatharsis · 30/08/2023 14:57

@Lessonstobe - why don’t you research all the leaders in the Western world and the big Eastern ones too and report back on your findings. You wise up perhaps and drop your naive anger.

Elite U.K. unis actually, 10 years plus ago, had educated the most world leaders, it is now the US unis.

Fivethirtyeight · 30/08/2023 23:03

Lessonstobe · 26/08/2023 11:49

Posted this on a thread about someone complaining that teachers at their DCs private’s school got a discount in fees for their own kids… just as relevant here re charity status:

Interesting article in today’s TImes regarding the claims that private schools should have charity status because they share facilities with state schools and are a ‘benefit’ …

However instead of asking the private schools - they surveyed the state schools instead…

spoiler - they don’t. They rent out some facilities for ££ or use things like a shared Xmas concert or football match to claim they ‘work’ with local
schools.

I have experienced this - kids did a music concert with local private school at a local church and the photos ended up in a newsletter heralding the ‘partnership’ between our schools. There is no partnership. This is the only time there was ever a joint event. Our choir went, their choir went, everyone performed separately..

also have a very famous private school invite our girls to play a football match - a friendly as we play other state schools in the county league, they only play other private schools.
Afterwards they wanted photos etc of the kids all together, we declined.
we don’t do it for other matches and we certainly weren’t going to do it so they could pop that one in their next prospectus either as proof of ‘community’ involvement.

“Charity” was not originally supposed to be a tax dodge.

A trust for a purpose could only exist for a limited time, basically a life time.

A trust for religious purposes, educational purposes, or relief of poverty was a Charitable purpose trust and could exist in perpetuity.

Private schools have the purpose of education so in the traditional legal sense they are charities.

All Charities should have their tax exemptions taken away. It’s most unfair the way they compete with small business trying to earn a living. Many of them spend their time agitating for things that will be a tax and admin burden to others, and the charities are secure in the knowledge of their own exemption.

Charities are the modern equivalent of the French aristocracy, who didn’t pay tax and had no qualms about seeing it increase.

Fivethirtyeight · 30/08/2023 23:07

Intergalacticcatharsis · 30/08/2023 14:57

@Lessonstobe - why don’t you research all the leaders in the Western world and the big Eastern ones too and report back on your findings. You wise up perhaps and drop your naive anger.

Elite U.K. unis actually, 10 years plus ago, had educated the most world leaders, it is now the US unis.

Similarly we now see a brain drain as in the 1970s. Young men I know plan to go to the US. Dubai, Singapore, Korea also considered. UK not in the running. And FTSE vs S&P500 this last decade tells the same story.

Fivethirtyeight · 30/08/2023 23:11

DdraigGoch · 26/08/2023 23:30

@Lessonstobe frankly, I don't care. As far as I'm concerned education is a charitable aim in its own right.

Exactly that. That was the legal position for centuries.

Its become controversial only because charitable status has become a legal way to dodge taxes. That’s what should be changed. For all charities.

Lessonstobe · 31/08/2023 07:46

Hard to be sympathetic about school fees when all the current headlines are about parents struggling with the cost of school uniform and money for school dinners.

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