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To not understand how the UK can afford to pay £250 million for the coronation?

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Kedfs · 30/04/2023 09:13

When there are people reliant on food banks to survive and we are told that there is no money to pay for nurses and teachers pay rises?

Whatever your thoughts are on having a monarchy, having a coronation is unnecessary and was abandoned by other monarchies years ago. If he really wants one, can’t he pay for it himself, given that he has billions of pounds?

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DownNative · 30/04/2023 15:10

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Because it's a State event which is a large part of the UKs soft power on the international stage.

See the soft power rankings. We're second only to the United States of America.

EddyF · 30/04/2023 15:11

OhhhhhhhhBiscuits · 30/04/2023 09:19

Worldwide TV rights cover most of it, and the boost to the economy (said to be in excess of 1 billion) will be a massive boost from tourism etc.......

I have no issue with it.

How come we never really see this boost in real time on a societal level? The money that these royal events make seem to go back to their own pockets for more events/fancy living.

Lifeinlists · 30/04/2023 15:13

The government spaffed at least £15 billion on unused/ unusable ppe, vaccines and other covid items, not to mention the several billions in covid fraud. £250 million is chicken feed in comparison.

A few prosecutions would help to pay for it if they could ever get their act together but they prefer to write it off. I'm much more annoyed about that.

4plusthehound · 30/04/2023 15:15

DownNative · 30/04/2023 10:40

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is well up the rankings when it comes to global soft power. We're always in the top five and sometimes shift from second to third before shifting back to second.

The Royal Family is very much part and parcel of UK soft power, tbh. The Coronation will ensure we remain so and possibly overtake the US again which we did not too long ago.

The Astra-Zeneca vaccine is another example of British soft power.

Funds for the Coronation was set aside years ago, so takes nothing away from the current budget. These things are always planned years in advance.

The Royal Family is very much part and parcel of UK soft power, tbh.

What are you talking about?

P&PoW got booed at an American sports event in Boston.

Actually got booed.

Their tour of the Caribbean was an utter disaster.

Our actors and creatives do a hell of a lot more for our soft power than the Family.

Lets throw the money there instead? Or at research and developemnt?

Or - jsut ask them to stop SPENDING and COSTING so much money at this time.

This is an extradordinary and expensive ego trip.

There are elements of "let them eat cake" here or Neros games.

Hbh17 · 30/04/2023 15:19

Well, in terms of national budget it is a tiny sum.
And, if we weren't having a Coronation, it's not money that would suddenly be spent on other things - it doesn't work that way.
Plus, we haven't had a Coronation for 70 years, so it's only right that we do it properly now.

4plusthehound · 30/04/2023 15:19

MidgeHardcastle · 30/04/2023 14:32

Interesting that people gnash their teeth over the cost of royal events then are completely disinterested in the revenue/profit afterwards. I suppose there's no frothing to be had that's why.

I suppose there's no frothing to be had that's why.

Nope.

It is because there is no data to be had.

Lots of belly tickling but no numbers.

Sostuckup · 30/04/2023 15:19

ChopperC110P · 30/04/2023 10:23

They don’t have a royal family. Only a few pretenders.

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That's what the PP meant! It's irony...

Eyesopenwideawake · 30/04/2023 15:21

Is this a Daily Mail comments section???

ForTheSakeOfThePenguin · 30/04/2023 15:21

I have found it fascinating how the coronation is putting in the light how out of touch and out of date the monarchy is:

-The power comes from god (the church basically) now we are trying to wave all other faiths in that have no belief whatsoever that the monarchy exist because a god they do not worship willed it.

We are invited to swear allegiance to a man very few people like for respected throughout his life.

The Church of England will now be led (albeit just in paper) by someone who was unfaithful and the OW, but that’s most probably not a new thing…

A billionaire family live paying hardly any taxes thanks to God (or bloody Churchill)

They have millions but are inviting the public to celebrate the coronation by serving and volunteering… C’mon, at least in centuries past it was the King who was paying for the party!

And yes, we can pay nurses and other public servants much better but most people vote not to. It is the people who put that government in place so… here we are, as Marie Antoniette said…. Eating our cake 🤣

Hbh17 · 30/04/2023 15:23

Oh, and most of that money will be going on wages for the huge numbers of people involved, so the money is going back into the pockets of the population. The whole thing will be a boost to the economy, so I don't understand the criticism. Apparently, "the politics of envy" raising it's ugly head again.

MidgeHardcastle · 30/04/2023 15:24

I'm sure the 'data' for the balance sheet is available but the media don't want to publish that. No fun in everyone being ok with it.

Eleganz · 30/04/2023 15:29

Fansandblankets · 30/04/2023 09:15

Well it’s closer to £100 million and the revenue it will generate will far outweigh what it costs.

Yes, but who gets that revenue? Not you or me, that is for sure, even though our taxes are footing the bill.

Public money to create private wealth, just another day in Tory Britain.

I'm not even sure that it would make money anyway. An extra bank holiday loses a decent amount of productivity, especially in May when we already have other public holidays.

It isn't really the fact that we are having a coronation, it is more the fact that there has been negligible effort to even create the appearance that they are trying to be frugal or acknowledge that this display of opulence to celebrate a family born into immense privilege is occuring at a time of some of the worst drops in living standards in post-war Britain.

For me, it has become clear that the monarchy's existence props up a whole raft of undemocratic, elitist nonsense that spends taxpayer's money with limited value and holds us back from true constitutional reform (the House of Lords being the most obvious example of this, along with government ministers exercising quasi-monarchical power with little scrutiny, but things like the privy council are also pretty suspect). Even if all the royal family were top folk (which they aren't) they still need to go so we can have proper reform.

4plusthehound · 30/04/2023 15:29

Hbh17 · 30/04/2023 15:23

Oh, and most of that money will be going on wages for the huge numbers of people involved, so the money is going back into the pockets of the population. The whole thing will be a boost to the economy, so I don't understand the criticism. Apparently, "the politics of envy" raising it's ugly head again.

Any chance we could have a look at the data on that @Hbh17 ?

I would love to see how the numbers crunch etc.

Apparently, "the politics of envy" raising it's ugly head again.

I think that most people questioning the spending of such enormous amounts of money on this event view it as unseemly and unwise in a time of economic crisis.

I don't see "envy".

4plusthehound · 30/04/2023 15:31

Hbh17 · 30/04/2023 15:19

Well, in terms of national budget it is a tiny sum.
And, if we weren't having a Coronation, it's not money that would suddenly be spent on other things - it doesn't work that way.
Plus, we haven't had a Coronation for 70 years, so it's only right that we do it properly now.

OK.

Add together the costs of the Platinum Jubilee, two state funerals, and this.

All in the last while!

It is CRAZY EXPENSIVE.

4plusthehound · 30/04/2023 15:31

ForTheSakeOfThePenguin · 30/04/2023 15:21

I have found it fascinating how the coronation is putting in the light how out of touch and out of date the monarchy is:

-The power comes from god (the church basically) now we are trying to wave all other faiths in that have no belief whatsoever that the monarchy exist because a god they do not worship willed it.

We are invited to swear allegiance to a man very few people like for respected throughout his life.

The Church of England will now be led (albeit just in paper) by someone who was unfaithful and the OW, but that’s most probably not a new thing…

A billionaire family live paying hardly any taxes thanks to God (or bloody Churchill)

They have millions but are inviting the public to celebrate the coronation by serving and volunteering… C’mon, at least in centuries past it was the King who was paying for the party!

And yes, we can pay nurses and other public servants much better but most people vote not to. It is the people who put that government in place so… here we are, as Marie Antoniette said…. Eating our cake 🤣

YES!!!1

notimagain · 30/04/2023 15:32

@Hbh17

most of that money will be going on wages for the huge numbers of people involved, so the money is going back into the pockets of the population.

On that point I'm fairly sure quite a few involved, most especially HM Forces personnel, won't (AFAIK) be picking up extra pay due to being on duty.

I've no idea how real costs could be established.

Eleganz · 30/04/2023 15:34

Hbh17 · 30/04/2023 15:19

Well, in terms of national budget it is a tiny sum.
And, if we weren't having a Coronation, it's not money that would suddenly be spent on other things - it doesn't work that way.
Plus, we haven't had a Coronation for 70 years, so it's only right that we do it properly now.

I'd rather have a new hospital. I'd even let them call it the 'King Charles III Hospital' and he could come and cut the ribbon.

I really couldn't give a shit what happened 70 years ago. That is no justification at all.

kitsuneghost · 30/04/2023 15:34

Do you realise how little 250m is in the grand scheme of the economy? That is less than £7 per household. The benefits bill (every year) is 216 billion.

Florenz · 30/04/2023 15:37

A hospital will cost far more than $250 million. You might be able to build one for that much but then you've got to staff it etc. And those costs only increase over time.

Eleganz · 30/04/2023 15:41

kitsuneghost · 30/04/2023 15:34

Do you realise how little 250m is in the grand scheme of the economy? That is less than £7 per household. The benefits bill (every year) is 216 billion.

It would more than double the amount the government is proposing to give schools to fund the proposed teacher's pay rise. Yes, it is not a big item compared to the entire welfare state, but it is not negligible when compared to the terrible funding settlements our public services are receiving at the moment.

Eleganz · 30/04/2023 15:44

Florenz · 30/04/2023 15:37

A hospital will cost far more than $250 million. You might be able to build one for that much but then you've got to staff it etc. And those costs only increase over time.

So? The hospital will be there in 20 years time whereas the coronation will be a memory (and we'll highly likely to have had to fund another one in the interim).

40 hospitals were promised once, none delivered, but cash for the coronation is now problem.

Eleganz · 30/04/2023 15:45

*no problem

Florenz · 30/04/2023 15:53

Eleganz · 30/04/2023 15:44

So? The hospital will be there in 20 years time whereas the coronation will be a memory (and we'll highly likely to have had to fund another one in the interim).

40 hospitals were promised once, none delivered, but cash for the coronation is now problem.

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The hospital will still be there but will have cost billions in the meantime. The coronation will be a nice memory for many people not just in this country but people all over the world.

Some people will just find misery and moan about anything. If there was no royal family they'd just be moaning about something else. Because they are miserable people by nature.

PrettyMaybug · 30/04/2023 15:54

@MidgeHardcastle

Interesting that people gnash their teeth over the cost of royal events then are completely disinterested in the revenue/profit afterwards. I suppose there's no frothing to be had that's why...

This. ^ Selective hearing, and very typical of the toxic far-left frothers.

PrettyMaybug · 30/04/2023 15:55

Florenz · 30/04/2023 15:53

The hospital will still be there but will have cost billions in the meantime. The coronation will be a nice memory for many people not just in this country but people all over the world.

Some people will just find misery and moan about anything. If there was no royal family they'd just be moaning about something else. Because they are miserable people by nature.

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Amen to that!