AIBU to think this homage to the King will go badly wrong?

[MRex]

According to BBC news: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65435426

There are hopes that people will say out loud: "I swear that I will pay true allegiance to Your Majesty, and to your heirs and successors according to law. So help me God."

The Archbishop of Canterbury will then proclaim "God save the King", with all asked to respond: "God save King Charles. Long live King Charles. May the King live forever."

This is surely madness. Asking everyone in the Abbey - sure. People crowding nearby might be swayed to say "Hail the King" or something similarly short. But hoping for video footage of crowds in parks and pubs shouting a great long sentence that most don't fully buy into, then doing it again and with "live forever"! Does Charles really think he's liked that much? Is he? It doesn't seem very British at all, and seems destined to be a mess of people saying random stuff loudly.

I find it all really cringey to be honest!

He is not God. God may save him if he believes in God, but the only allegiance we pay here , is ehm, GOD.

Yeah? Where are you all hiding then? Only kidding, please stay hidden!!🤣🤣🤣🤣

@Blossomtoes Charles is the king. You really think the archbishop would announce a major change to the coronation service without Charles agreement at a minimum? Of course not!

The Middle Ages disappeared long ago, and no one in 2023 should plead alliance to a monarch these days in a European country.

I come from Spain and, like the UK, we have a parliamentary monarchy. The difference is NO ONE, no Parliament, nor the Senate or the people pleads allegiance to the monarch.

On the contrary, the king/queen HAS to swear/ plead alliance to the Constitution (voted majoritarily in a referendum) before being invested.

This whole thing seems out of touch.

Talk about not reading the nation. Cost of living, a corrupt government lining the pockets of its cronies. The ever widening gap between rich and poor and a patriarchal entitled system of which the King is head.

No way am I swearing allegiance to that. He's bloody clueless.

Exactly. He should be seen as our servant, not the other way round.

I mean, I agree with you entirely that this coronation is an expensive, ridiculous anachronism, but judging by a significant number of posters on here, who are delighted by a day off, holding street parties, and the prospect of camping out on the Mall to wave little flags, or watching a lot of horses, carriages and royal bling on tv, I think the royal advisors/backroom types may have read the National room and decided that ‘bread and circuses’ it was. It does seem to be distracting people from the actual issues.

Alondra
The Middle Ages disappeared long ago, and no one in 2023 should plead alliance to a monarch these days in a European country.
I come from Spain and, like the UK, we have a parliamentary monarchy. The difference is NO ONE, no Parliament, nor the Senate or the people pleads allegiance to the monarch.

What's this?
Becoming a Spanish citizen by option is one of the fastest nationality procedures. The entire process will take up to one year to complete.
Once you’ve submitted the application (in Spain or at the consulate in the country of origin), you should expect a response in 6 to 12 months. Then, you must complete three final requirements:

• Swearing an oath of allegiance to the King and obedience to the Spanish Constitution...

https://iasservices.org.uk/es/citizenship/citizenship-by-option/#how-long-does-it-take

I can't remember if it was in this thread or not but people were justifying this 'pledge' by saying MPs have to pledge etc

They do - but they have a work around . They say ' the law requires me to say this ' - that's what Tony Ben did .
Others have their own form of words to use if they don't recognise the king or have other religious beliefs
They will just be ticked as having done it but it isn't a genuine pledge

This raises the whole issue of people of other religions having to pledge to a COE king - plus Calvinists and other independent Christian religions ( I think) won't swear to any other human being

The coronation is an utter nonsense of a ritual saying god is giving Charles the people to rule over and it's easy to laugh but underneath it is an iron rule that no other religion be recognised. The COE is a minority religion now

They can have people of other faiths read from the bible all they like it doesn't change this fact
Never mind the exclusions of Catholics

It all needs reformed
People should pledge to their country if a pledge is necessary . Not to a man

I am a monarchist and I think this is ridiculous!

To be fair, I am a monarchist because I had a lot of respect for the late Queen - time will tell whether the new King deserves the same respect from me.

Novella4
I can't remember if it was in this thread or not but people were justifying this 'pledge' by saying MPs have to pledge etc
This raises the whole issue of people of other religions having to pledge to a COE king

We've already heard from one Labour MP up thread;
Shabana Mahmood, the Labour elections campaign chief, said it was a “lovely idea to involve the people” and that the oath was a “lovely touch”.
She said she, as a Muslim MP, had already sworn allegiance to the king on the Qur’an and would be “joining in at the weekend as well”.

That's one individual

It's doesn't change the facts of the situation

That's an UK website that has no idea what's talking about.

I strongly recommend you to read the Spanish Constitution;

"National sovereignty belongs to the Spanish people, from whom all State powers emanate.
— Article 2(2) of the Spanish Constitution of 1978[17]

the king swears an oath to faithfully carry out his constitutional duties and to abide by the constitution and laws of the state. Additionally, the constitution gives the king the added responsibility to ensure that the constitution is obeyed. Lastly, the king swears to respect the rights of Spanish citizens and of the self-governing communities. The Prince of Asturias, upon reaching the age of majority, in addition to any regent(s) upon assuming the office, swears the same oath as that of the king along with a further oath of loyalty to the monarch.

No idea why the picture of Jackie Onassis and Lyndon Johnson appeared in my post.

You really think the archbishop would announce a major change to the coronation service without Charles agreement at a minimum? Of course not!

Quite

I realise that, for monarchists, there's always a drive to make it "someone else's fault" when the RF make fools of themselves, but let's at least stick to some sort of common sense here

Alondra
That's an UK website that has no idea what's talking about

Similar here -
Attend the appointment on the scheduled date and take the Spanish citizenship oath. With the provisions of Articles 23 CC and 224, 226, 228 and in accordance with the Civil Registry Regulations (hereinafter, RRC), the central object of the public deed is the declaration of the applicant who makes the Spanish citizenship oath of fidelity to the King and obedience to the Constitution and laws.
https://entretramites.com/en/immigration/spanish-citizenship-oath-at-notary

fidelity synonyms: loyalty, allegiance, obedience...

I perceive that many people who make a point of watching the Coronation might just dig this. It's a nice way for them to join in and make the experience more shared.

People like me will be gardening or doing something else, so not bothered what the others do.

Haven't read the whole thread but in UK wveryone swears allegiance to King during citizenship ceremony too.

If anyone has to swear allegiance (whatever that means anyway), it should be to the country.

And references to God should be kept out of it.

It's not a very 'inclusive' thing to do.

What happens if you renounce this allegiance? Or say you didn't mean it.

The big difference is that the sovereign in Spain has to make an oath to the Spanish Constitution. Otherwise, he/she won't be invested as a monarch.

Leonor, Princess of Asturias and heir of the throne, has to swear alliance to the Constitution when she turns 18. There is a political issue in Spain right now that because Parliament will be dissolved due to elections, her alliance to the Constitution, could have to be postponed unless political parties find a solution.

As usual, you want to make a point with whatever Google finds for you..

If you want to know about the Spanish Constitution, this is the link for you.

https://www.boe.es/legislacion/documentos/ConstitucionCASTELLANO.pdf

I think it is different having to do it as part of an official ceremony, than us all being encouraged to do it in our own front rooms, though, @Deadpalm.

I mean, I have no intention of even watching it on TV, let alone pledging allegiance!

All you peasants ABU.

We should all genuflect most humbly to His Royal Majesty the King and Her Royal Majesty Camilla.

As they are anointed in holy oils we should all strive to follow their example of selfless service to the country. Long live the King and Queen!

It's like virtual swearing innit😂