NHS Doctors refused evacuation from Sudan by British Government - DISGUSTING!

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Shameful and shocking that NHS doctors should be turned away from evacuation flights from Sudan, simply because they have British residency, but are not British nationals. Just watching Newsnight on catchup and I was so enraged that I couldn't keep watching. I really hope that this matter has been put right since Newsnight aired yesterday. A medic who served the British people at Manchester Royal Infirmary through the pandemic was escorted out of the airport where he had arrived for evacuation, wanting to return to his work as a registrar. There are apparently over 20 doctors known to be in a similar position (having visited families for Eid - many with young children). The doctor who was interviewed described the situation as "disappointing" - I would use stronger vocabulary.
WE SHOULD ALL BE RAISING THIS WITH OUR MPs TODAY!

No one said they should, though French Germany and Italian planes took UK citizens when our Govt refused to assist UK nationals, assume you were ok with this?

I would imagine the treatment of these nhs staff with work visa's will make others yet to come here think twice and go to other countries in Europe.

I would imagine the treatment of these nhs staff with work visa's will make others yet to come here think twice and go to other countries in Europe.

Afaik other countries weren't picking up random Sudanese employees to bring them back to work though.
It was a standard treatment. This is actually nonstandard?

“I would imagine the treatment of these nhs staff with work visa's will make others yet to come here think twice and go to other countries in Europe.”

and I think that in the pros and cons list for opportunities, “will put me front of queue for airlift if I’m stupid enough to make non-essential travel home to a war zone, after it’s all kicked off, against clear advice” will be quite far down their decision making list 🤣
Well below weather, I reckon.

Whilst the government has now offered support, please remember when a Tory comes seeking your vote, be it for the local elections, or the general election next year.

Literally a few people on this thread have said they should come before UK nationals.

The thing is, in the end there was capacity for more people on the evacuation flights than made it to the airport. I wonder whether all those medics seeking assistance managed to escape - given how late in the day the change of heart came. It turned out not to have been the case (as many on this thread presented it) that a decision to permit the doctors on the flights would mean that they took somebody else's place. Okay, they could have prioritised nationals - but that was not what happened. For most of the evacuation period, the doctors were simply refused and sent away.

And again with the doctors in your last line. What's wrong with you? Why don't people matter, just doctors?

They previously said that these doctors should be prioritised over British nationals it quite bizarre the love for these people who moved to uk for economic reasons.

It happens all the time - in every aspect of life - in medicine it is called triage. When resources are limited, unfortunately decisions have to involve a degree of discrimination based on certain criteria. Not everybody can be saved, this has frequently been pointed out. If I remember correctly, the first tranche of evacuees was to be the more vulnerable, including women and children. So, the act of privileging one group above another is an accepted part of many processes. Clearly, in the end, sufficient people agreed with my position - that is why an exception ended up being made for the medics - it is just a pity that decision wasn't made quicker, and then we needn't have wasted so much time on this discussion! 😊

The people who should be prioritised are British citizens. End of.

if there’s room then it’s women and children and elderly. Then young fit men, regardless of their job.

I really don’t think this sort of stuff is helpful.

The issue is that they are Sudanese citizens in Sudan. It isn’t the UK’s place to evacuate them alongside British citizens - especially not on the premise that we need to get them back to work in the NHS.

Citizenship matters. Having a work permit and an NHS job don’t override their citizenship. We are a foreign state. They’re Sudanese citizens in Sudan.

The situation itself is terrible for Sudanese people. They didn’t anticipate this when they returned home to visit family.

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I don’t think it’s about prioritising British citizens. It’s much more that the particular group the OP is irate about are Sudanese citizens in Sudan.

Various other foreign states may make reciprocal agreements with the UK to help the repatriate their citizens (or repatriate British citizens) from sudan. But they don’t get to pick the valuable looking Sudanese citizens and remove them, regardless of their contracts of employment elsewhere.

My family member is in danger because of stupid people who went somewhere they were told not to go to.

pardon me for being cross about this.

My family member is in danger because of stupid people who went somewhere they were told not to go to.

The FCO travel advice changed around 16th April. Many of the people in-country will have arrived before the advice was changed or in the immediate week after it was changed. That many Western diplomats had not yet sent their families home indicates how fluid the situation has been.

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20230415120434/www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/sudan" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20230415120434/www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/sudan

Not sure what MN did to that link, hopefully it isn't MN blocking Wayback Machine.. try this one

I think it's harsh to judge people for seeing family, especially when guidance changed after some of them were likely to be there.

Just like everything else our government screwed up and was slow to act.

dogbeddestroyer · Today 19:59
My family member is in danger because of stupid people who went somewhere they were told not to go to.

pardon me for being cross about this.”

Were they aware of such situations when they signed up?

@MrsSkylerWhite of course they were.

that doesn’t mean I’m not entitled to be worried and cross. No one should be prioritised above others for evacuation purely on the grounds of being a bloody doctor.

dogbeddestroyer · Today 21:20
@MrsSkylerWhite of course they were.

that doesn’t mean I’m not entitled to be worried and cross. No one should be prioritised above others for evacuation purely on the grounds of being a bloody doctor”

Sorry but I think it does. If they signed up to a service where part of their job is evacuating people in extremis, it doesn’t really matter what their jobs are, does it?

I’m not them.

I haven’t made any comment about how they feel.

So maybe ask them?

I'm not posting about how they feel.

I'm posting about me and how it makes me feel.

I don't understand why you're badgering me like this but I hope it makes you feel good about yourself.

The uk has had a strategy of recruiting foreign doctors and also of giving places to foreign doctors at medical schools. In which case, ffs look after them and dont treat them like shit, so that they are enabled to look after us. Simple when you think about it, except not for this government, who are a bunch of idiots.

Yellowdays · Today 22:23
The uk has had a strategy of recruiting foreign doctors and also of giving places to foreign doctors at medical schools. In which case, ffs look after them and dont treat them like shit, so that they are enabled to look after us. Simple when you think about it, except not for this government, who are a bunch of idiots.”

Yes, this ^