Page 11 | NHS Doctors refused evacuation from Sudan by British Government - DISGUSTING!

Raggletagglegypsy · 2023-04-28T07:55:27+00:00

Shameful and shocking that NHS doctors should be turned away from evacuation flights from Sudan, simply because they have British residency, but are not British nationals. Just watching Newsnight on catchup and I was so enraged that I couldn't keep watching. I really hope that this matter has been put right since Newsnight aired yesterday. A medic who served the British people at Manchester Royal Infirmary through the pandemic was escorted out of the airport where he had arrived for evacuation, wanting to return to his work as a registrar. There are apparently over 20 doctors known to be in a similar position (having visited families for Eid - many with young children). The doctor who was interviewed described the situation as "disappointing" - I would use stronger vocabulary. WE SHOULD ALL BE RAISING THIS WITH OUR MPs TODAY!

SammyScrounge · 28/04/2023 20:45

morelippy · 28/04/2023 09:12

I didn't say they shouldn't be helped. I said they shouldn't be treated any differently to anyone else.

Being a doctors doesn't make you more special than any other mother, father, husband wife

People here are suffering terribly through lack of a doctor's presence. We need these doctors to come back to us. And we owe them a safe place after everything they have done for us.

StorminaStarmug · 28/04/2023 20:47

Againstmachine · 28/04/2023 20:43

Basically a lot of these idiots who travelled there against foreign office advice are equivalent to similar to Brian who goes to Tenerife with no insurance and now needs airlifting out and has a go fund me.

Except these apparently educated idiots have gone there with no insurance(most insurance won't cover you going to sudan) to visit family despite knowing it can tank at any minute.

I'm not sure we want this level of stupid back in country.

Why on earth would we need to import stupid when it is clear from this thread that we have more than plenty home grown!

Againstmachine · 28/04/2023 20:47

dogbeddestroyer · 28/04/2023 20:45

now needs airlifting out and has a go fund me.

They're expecting other people to put their lives on the line to get them out

People who are paid a lot less than an NHS doctor.

Exactly while taking no responsibility for putting theirselve in firing like in first place.

Againstmachine · 28/04/2023 20:50

StorminaStarmug · 28/04/2023 20:47

Why on earth would we need to import stupid when it is clear from this thread that we have more than plenty home grown!

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Well guess what I'm in this country as I'm not stupid enough to travel there.

If you travelled to Sudan you are a idiot

Also these people clearly don't care about their country men as they are leaving so why should I care.

StorminaStarmug · 28/04/2023 20:51

TizerorFizz · 28/04/2023 19:27

@Deadpalm
They are people who work here but are Sudanese and were visiting Sudan. Probably to visit relatives. Almost certainly against FO advice.

@StorminaStarmug Obviously some Med applicants are not suitable but you probably only need 1/2 to be suitable. Given plenty that are trained are not that great, we can afford to look further down the list. Yes. I think we can agree to negotiate on pensions. They won’t though. Cake and eat it. Plus look what overseas students are charged! That’s the going rate! Never mind nhs supervision!

How do you know plenty that are trained are not that great? Because you have had a bad experience with several as an elderly person. It's a shame that happened but it can't colour your judgement on the whole UK doctor profession! Do you really believe we should just dumb down on doctors, taking up training places for unsuitable applicants. Why would you do that! It's not like law where graduates are ten a penny and if one doesn't make the grade you can bounce them out and easily find another one. Overseas students are charged very high fees on every course not just medicine, didn't you know?

dogbeddestroyer · 28/04/2023 20:52

What exactly have these people done for us more than come and do a job for which they are very well renumerated?

I hate this notion that doctors are somehow special. They are people who do a job. And it's the money that brought that doctor here, same as it's the money that takes the docs here to Australia and similar.

StorminaStarmug · 28/04/2023 21:07

dogbeddestroyer · 28/04/2023 20:52

What exactly have these people done for us more than come and do a job for which they are very well renumerated?

I hate this notion that doctors are somehow special. They are people who do a job. And it's the money that brought that doctor here, same as it's the money that takes the docs here to Australia and similar.

Yes they are just clever, committed people doing a difficult job and of course money is a factor. Your point is?

BTW it's remunerated.

dogbeddestroyer · 28/04/2023 21:09

I'm assuming your autocorrect did the same as mine @StorminaStarmug

They're well remunerated. They work. In return for money. They went somewhere the FO advised against.

My family member has a job to do but that job is to repatriate UK citizens.

TizerorFizz · 28/04/2023 21:10

Why do you think taking a slightly different set of highly qualified people is dumbing down? The applicants turned down are hardly shabby. The next tranche would be fine. @StorminaStarmug . The bar is artificially high! My friend became a dr with BCD at A level. Obviously a while ago but she wasn’t Einstein.

As in any profession, selection is not perfect. Not all doctors are perfect (or even good) It’s inevitable. Wait until you see how the elderly are treated (or not). Not me. (I pay) Family members.

StorminaStarmug · 28/04/2023 21:10

dogbeddestroyer · 28/04/2023 21:09

I'm assuming your autocorrect did the same as mine @StorminaStarmug

They're well remunerated. They work. In return for money. They went somewhere the FO advised against.

My family member has a job to do but that job is to repatriate UK citizens.

Yep we all just do the jobs we sign up for @dogbeddestroyer .

dogbeddestroyer · 28/04/2023 21:11

That's all I do @StorminaStarmug

I have a family member who is a doctor. They are dedicated and I've no reason to think they aren't a good doctor. But I'm good at my job too. Why would they deserve a space over me on a repatriation flight? Just in the grounds of their job?

StorminaStarmug · 28/04/2023 21:15

TizerorFizz · 28/04/2023 21:10

Why do you think taking a slightly different set of highly qualified people is dumbing down? The applicants turned down are hardly shabby. The next tranche would be fine. @StorminaStarmug . The bar is artificially high! My friend became a dr with BCD at A level. Obviously a while ago but she wasn’t Einstein.

As in any profession, selection is not perfect. Not all doctors are perfect (or even good) It’s inevitable. Wait until you see how the elderly are treated (or not). Not me. (I pay) Family members.

Who is saying they are shabby!!! They are just not necessarily the right fit overall. Again, slowly, it's about much more than the academics. Given your alluded age, your friend most probably qualified a very long time ago when things were very different. She would certainly get nowhere with BCD now! You do realise you are seeing the same doctors whether you are paying or not 😂

MrsSkylerWhite · 28/04/2023 22:30

VoiceofCommonSense
(Tad narcissistic, btw)
”Yeah it’s their own fault for going there. Not saying we should leave them there but if they were stupid enough to go they only have themselves to black.”

Really hoping that was a typo.

Doagooddeed · 29/04/2023 07:15

dogbeddestroyer · 28/04/2023 20:52

What exactly have these people done for us more than come and do a job for which they are very well renumerated?

I hate this notion that doctors are somehow special. They are people who do a job. And it's the money that brought that doctor here, same as it's the money that takes the docs here to Australia and similar.

When they travelled there, travel was deemed ok, no travel insurance covers war, its a std exclusion, even if you go to Spain.

Hence why we had an ambassador and family there.

The 20 NHS Doctors refused a flight home (despite room to take them) were here working in the UK on skilled worker visa's, so in other words they have lives and families here in the uk.

Yet you think they should stay in Sudan and face up to Wagner Mercenaries.

dogbeddestroyer · 29/04/2023 08:06

Yes. I do.

They shouldn't have gone. It was not advised to travel to Sudan.

And they aren't British citizens.

THisbackwithavengeance · 29/04/2023 08:13

"People here are suffering terribly through lack of a doctor's presence. We need these doctors to come back to us. And we owe them a safe place after everything they have done for us"

Give over. They're doctors paid to do a job. Not superheroes.

I am on the fence with this one. The British Government has a job to rescue British Citizens. That's the obligation of the Govt towards its citizens. It's not based on need, worthiness or whether or not you deserve being airlifted out because you're a special human being. It's literally so you have a British passport, yes or no?

If you make exceptions for doctors, then what about others also? Where do the exceptions stop?

Difficult one. I hope the doctors are ok and are either able to make it out safely or are able to duck down until this blows over and normal flights resume.

Doagooddeed · 29/04/2023 09:11

dogbeddestroyer · 29/04/2023 08:06

Yes. I do.

They shouldn't have gone. It was not advised to travel to Sudan.

And they aren't British citizens.

But we have given them visa's to work in the NHS... there is room on the plane and they have UK residency but you want them to stay and almost certainly be killed (Wagner group are the people beheading men women and children in Ukraine)

Patient "Where is Dr X who was going to complete my cancer surgery today?"

dogbeddestroyer "i decided he should be executed, your treatment will be delayed by 3 months whilst we sort out a visa for Dr Khan"

Doagooddeed · 29/04/2023 09:15

@THisbackwithavengeance You aren't really on the fence at all are you? you are firmly on the side of let them stay there.

Its not a difficult one, they have UK residency, work visa's & room on the plane.

Fortunately, the FO has bowed to media/public pressure and will get them out.

Deadpalm · 29/04/2023 09:33

Well then I hope they are taking everyone with uk visa then not just NHS staff....

That will be an interesting precedent for future evacuations. At least we know for next time if we are in DH's country if anything happens 🤷🏻

THisbackwithavengeance · 29/04/2023 09:48

Doagooddeed · 29/04/2023 09:15

@THisbackwithavengeance You aren't really on the fence at all are you? you are firmly on the side of let them stay there.

Its not a difficult one, they have UK residency, work visa's & room on the plane.

Fortunately, the FO has bowed to media/public pressure and will get them out.

Lol I see how my message looked. I can honestly both sides though.

I'm glad they're out but equally their lives are not with more than others who weren't given the opportunity.

dogbeddestroyer · 29/04/2023 10:08

@Doagooddeed I don't think the rules should be bent for anyone.

My family member is not a getyoubacktowhereyoulive service.

I can't expect any country to expatriate me except the UK. Those rules should apply to everyone regardless of their job.

Intergalacticcatharsis · 29/04/2023 12:12

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65433363

Entirely predictable. The UK media wins, NHS and house prices is what rules here- innnit! Not law and order. Our politicians follow those in the media. When are we going to be voting for our “journalists”?

But morally I do feel happy they are helping them… by giving them 3 hours to get to the airport… sure.

Sudan crisis: NHS doctors told they can catch last UK evacuation flights

The UK's final evacuation flights out of Sudan will take place later, as the latest ceasefire breaks down.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65433363

LastTrainEast · 29/04/2023 12:53

In case it's not been said on this thread the dogs in Afghanistan were evacuated by some other group entirely so the whole "oh we can do it for dogs then" is just nonsense and the usual "everything British or White is shit" theme that we're come to expect.

LastTrainEast · 29/04/2023 13:00

Meanwhile anyone suffering from rheumatism will be relieved to know the Sudanese doctor is going to be back on duty later.

Anyone 'sat here crying' because their appointment might be delayed can stop now.

The people he was visiting won't be coming but that's their fault for not being NHS doctors and anyway they won't be in any real danger as only NHS Doctors are targeted by the rebels.

FlameGrilledSquirrel · 29/04/2023 13:01

They've got work permits, they're not nationals.

If we can get them out, as we appear to be doing, great, but they don't come before UK nationals.

Interesting to read by the way that the USA is only just starting to take non diplomatic staff out of the country.