School fees have risen by 19% in the space of 12 months

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AIBU to think this is outrageous ?! Fees are exorbitant anyhow and in the last 12 months we have had an increase of 19% by way of 2 increases in a 12 month period. Fees per year for the senior school are £16690 per year and do not include state of the art facilities as other local schools do. The junior school fees aren't much less either! This is a school in the north of England. If you are paying for education, where are you based and how much do you pay? I wonder whether it is comparable.

Private education will only be for the ultra-rich if fees continue to rise at the rate that they are. It is unsustainable for most working professionals who are comfortable but not ultra-wealthy! Parents locally have tried to take their children out but can't as there are no state school places to be had within a 12 mile radius. The only other option is home schooling which isn't possible when the parents are working full time. We're not yet at the point where we are thinking of taking our child out of school but hearing the plight of those who are in the process of trying to is worrying. I've always been a labour voter but if they do go ahead with the introduction of VAT, I fear it's going to get even worse.

And here’s an article from the regularly posted Guardian. A centre left paper.

Labour are on to a clear winner with the private school VAT. Professional families can’t afford private school now. It’s the realm of the super rich who are untouched by the rising cost of living.

Luxury goods across the board from fashion, hotels to restaurants are increasing their prices hugely. Their market doesn’t care. They are the ones getting richer from all the shit that everyone else is having to deal with.

Nobody with actual critical thinking skills would make the comment that you did.

And that is correlated with a sub-optimal education and knowledge base. Its also a comment based on emotion and not logic.

Ergo, you are likely not a middle income earner who is a net tax payer.

What will actually happen is that you will end up even poorer.

And then you will be on your own. There will be no help coming because you will have burned your political bridges.

Private schools are currently charities because they have been labelled as such. Just because they have ‘non-profit making organisation’ written into their articles of association doesn’t mean they are charities. The charity label ought to be withdrawn by HMRC. Giving the odd bursary and letting the local comp use your sports pitch does not a charity make. It is indefensible. VAT on fees and rates on school buildings ought to be applied immediately. And yes I pay for private school currently.

I’m loving the way in these times of soaring food prices, an NHS on its knees and families struggling to heat their homes the op et al think the priority should be helping out parents with private school fees. 😂

And yes, private schools have been banging on for years about the terrible fate that will befall society if they are forced to increase prices. Well, they have increased prices hugely and it has had zero impact.

‘Ergo, you are likely not a middle income earner who is a net tax payer.’

😂😂😂😂😂😩

Are there any constituencies that have enough people sending their kids to private school to make a difference in an election?

Voting to level down your own country.

Not once. Not twice. But three times!

You seriously cannot makes this up.

Making educational progress and attainment worse will just make the country poorer.

Thats all it will do. You will not be able to compete at a global level.

I find that really sad. Its like you enjoy being miserable. Just bizarre.

If you need help with that maths, using your £6700 per pupil figure, the state school population in England will decrease by 944,000 students in the next decade , representing a little over £6.3 billion in student funding.

Obviously none of this is quite so straightforward, but given your original question of 'who's going to pick up the bill' - the current school budget would more than cover it, given the rapid decline in pupil numbers already starting to feed through primary schools. And given some of the other problems of swiftly declining school numbers, a population shift over the next decade might not be entirely unwelcome.

TheThinkingGoblin

Not sure whether to laugh or cry over your posts. Either way they’re ludicrous.

I've shared my view on admissions more than once on this thread. I actively campaign on fair admissions.

"Nobody owes you a living. Absolutely nobody."

Then why should everyone else pay VAT on goods and services that they use every day but the best off in the country get tax breaks on a service very few can afford to use. One which massively advantages their children over others?

"And until you can become a productive, net tax payer in the UK your "arguments" are basically empty because you drive away the people that are willing to subsidise you"

Only 14% of people are net tax contributors for their entire lives, this statistic is made larger by people dying early before retirement and old age. So the actual figure on those that live an average life span is far lower. Most people who are net tax contributors are only so for a short time at peak earning. The " We'll leave" point is childish.

We can counter the " We will leave" point by pointing out the realities. Ok try it. Where are you going to go? The job market internationally will be highly competitive and it isn't guarenteed. A larger number of people competing for the jobs means that the wages available will be lower. You have assumed you have global mobility of labour and you might not, in fact almost certainly after Brexit your options are limited and the increased competition for visas will reduce your liklihood of getting one. Also a large number of people leaving will mean assets being sold which will reduce the value of your houses, and other things that you might want to sell if you leave, therefore you will take less with you. Also, don;t be so smug that you cannot be replaced, there will be others willing to do what you do. It isn't the great threat you think it is, and probably wouldn't work well for all those who use it as a retort when their privilege is challenged.

This is not the politics of envy, nobody is saying that because normal people can't have something neither can anyone else, or that they are jealous of it so want it too ( again a simplistic argument though). What it is the politics of great equity, why do schools for everyone else pay full business rates but the schools for the rich don't? Why do schools for the rich not have to charge VAT on something which is clearly a luxury but everyone else pays it on things that they consider essential for their day to day life?

That’s an opinion piece. Even I - a left wing, pinko, Commie slime ball as my husband fondly calls me - find a lot of Guardian opinion pieces comical.

That £6,700 is a pipe dream with an ageing population.

They will get less.

They’re also not from a source which has any real understanding of the UK and its political landscape. American at a guess.

Unlike pretty much everybody here I do this for a living (economic snd financial modelling) and I went to private school and boarding school in the UK and abroad.

I saw this coming a few years ago so our DD3 is now in private school in DHs home country, while I shuttle back and forth from London.

You wanted to know what educated high earners do in the face of sky high taxes?

They make use of their multiple passports.

The only thing your crazy view about the UK economy will do is make you even poorer.

Enjoy the poor standard of living I guess.

@TheThinkingGoblin You are Dunning Kruger personified.

Classic projection.

Yup it’s a pipe dream. It’s actually £500 more than that

https://explore-education-statistics.service.gov.uk/find-statistics/school-funding-statistics#

The ageing population is a red herring. It will start declining rapidly in a decade or so as the boomers start rapidly dying. It’s a bulge in the python.

"Unlike pretty much everybody here I do this for a living (economic snd financial modelling)"

Appeal to authority fail.

"You wanted to know what educated high earners do in the face of sky high taxes? They make use of their multiple passports."

Most UK citizens have only one passport of any nation, the UK. In fact only 1% of those hold dual nationality, and of course when you account for the anomoly of Northern Irish citizens in this, you'd see that this claim is pretty poor. Did you get that from your mathematical models? That 1% will also be spread across all income deciles (especially with the increase in Irish passport holders since Brexit) and may have a slightly higher concentration in the top 1%, but not by enough to make this group leaving have anything more than a negligible economic impact.

See, your arguments are poor, I doubt the veracity of your claims about being a high earner.

In fact I really hope all those that claim to be high earners on MN aren't, they don't seem to understand a lot of very basic concepts.

@TheThinkingGoblin Is that the best you had?

Aww bless.

The way you construct your "arguments" tells anybody with postgraduate degrees (and above) that you have a very poor education.

Thats the reality.

Also, don't bother to answer. I know full well that anything I said would go over your head.

Those of us in actual professions will keep on working and improving.

You will do what?

My bet is stagnate. You have no way out of the current UK economic quagmire.

I am amused by your clear inferiority complex.

Seems to be an English thing.

It may or may not be; that's hardly relevant to the question that was being discussed, though, is it?