School fees have risen by 19% in the space of 12 months

[Findingfactsaboutfees]

AIBU to think this is outrageous ?! Fees are exorbitant anyhow and in the last 12 months we have had an increase of 19% by way of 2 increases in a 12 month period. Fees per year for the senior school are £16690 per year and do not include state of the art facilities as other local schools do. The junior school fees aren't much less either! This is a school in the north of England. If you are paying for education, where are you based and how much do you pay? I wonder whether it is comparable.

Private education will only be for the ultra-rich if fees continue to rise at the rate that they are. It is unsustainable for most working professionals who are comfortable but not ultra-wealthy! Parents locally have tried to take their children out but can't as there are no state school places to be had within a 12 mile radius. The only other option is home schooling which isn't possible when the parents are working full time. We're not yet at the point where we are thinking of taking our child out of school but hearing the plight of those who are in the process of trying to is worrying. I've always been a labour voter but if they do go ahead with the introduction of VAT, I fear it's going to get even worse.

As said the dictionary (and economic definition) of a subsidy means that tax breaks count as one.

You want the tax back? You prepared to pay the top rate of tax in Finland?

I’m not going to get into personal attacks, they’re the refuge of those who have run out of arguments.

I would not be surprised if you are sitting in a basement typing away somewhere.

Its self-evident to me now that you have no understanding of the world, and how various countries operate. You live in your little bubble, and thats that.

We live in two very different worlds.

I value facts, reasoning, culture, and objectivity.

You value a twisted left-wing ideology that solves precisely no problems but leaves lots of families worse off, all in your crusade for "equality". A word that you obviously do not understand very well.

😄😄😄😄🤣🤣🤣😅😅 if you live somewhere like I do ( se wealthy county bordering London ) this means absolutely nothing. You could beat the director of children's services over the head with it and you could not magic up a non existing school place. Sometimes what the LA is legally required to do and what will / can do isn't the same. Illegal or not. Laws matter not here unless you want to enforce the laws under your own steam

It is amazing how @TheThinkingGoblin thinks that their posts which are basic ad hom attacks are some kind of genius.

You haven't presented any facts or reason and as for culture? Your points are fallacy ridden.

And another personal attack. It’s not going well in terms of intelligent debate, is it?

@DyslexicPoster - thank you for pointing this out. This was exactly our experience. The LA knew they were supposed to find a school place, we knew they were supposed to find a school place, but there simply wasn't one.

You folks seem unable to think. It truly is amazing.

We are talking about paying for public education here vs private education.

Me paying in £6,500 (taxes) and not using the spot for my DD3, while allowing anorher child whose parents paid £0 tax to take her place is the definition of a subsidy.

My taxes are subsidising the other childs place.

When you do not add in a VALUE added tax to private education there is no subsidy because no public money is being spent.

Absolutely none.

I am amazed this needs to even be explained to you as it is so basic.

You are trying (and failing) miserably to argue that a "lack of VAT" is a subsidy, but that is even more hilarious because once again, there is no public money involved. Its a policy choice because those private folks are already heavily subsidising the state schools.

Do I really need to take out the sock puppets here?

*You clearly never studied economics.

That much is obvious when you quote the dictionary.

Just pure lol

Is this really the best analysis you can offer?*

To be fair, @Another76543 rubbished this definition of subsidy and told @Blossomtoes in a rather patronising way to check the dictionary, which they did and reported back that in fact Another was wrong.

Your logic is entirely faulty actually.

You not using a place isn't a reason why you should have tax breaks is easy to refute as those who don't have children or don't use the NHS (or any other particular public service could cclaim that they deserve special tax exemptions too.

It's a luxury which you buy to advantage your child, not a charitable decision, nor are you personally subsidising anything, and you benefit from state provision of education (oh qualified one can you tell me what they key economic term for that is?)

@TheThinkingGoblin, are you aware of how you are coming across? For some personal growth may I suggest you reread your posts and the responses to see why people think you are wrong.

It becomes obvious to someone reading threads like these, that those with a flawed logic, or who have misrepresented information to twist it into shape to match their arguments soon resort to personal attacks. I try to think of the people reading and not commenting when I debate, I know that if my argument is strong enough, and borne out by facts, then it will speak for itself. I'm never going to persuade those entrenched in their view, and personal attacks won't convince those reading.

If someone who claims to be much more intelligent than me, so much so that trying to belittle me for failing to agree with their incorrect logic, is in a position where they earn enough to send their dc to private school, I'm not surprised the country is fucked. Reminds me of conservative MPs

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Unfortunately there have been personal attacks all over this thread from many MNs.
Very few have even addressed OPs original question.

Another opinion piece @DrPrunesquallor? I think a dictionary definition trumps an opinion.

Well I’ve not commented on repurposing old building or what they do in European so try not to respond to an entirely different post.

I’m telling you my experience as a school governor who chairs the finance committee and is connected with >30 other schools in my county. But do carry on with your ‘perception’ of what you think is happening.

Well the poster who claims to be an economics guru yet keeps referring to people ‘paying £0 tax’ must surely only be referring to deceased people since everyone pays tax on pretty much anything. Unless they missed boarding school the day they discussed income tax?

Here’s some more.
This time from Education Tay…….
How schools are funded is so interesting isn’t it.

One for you OP
If you’re still around 🤣
Could explain one reason why fees have risen

All those who claim benefits with no income pay £0 tax!
Isn't that obvious

No, they pay other taxes like VAT

If you mean no income tax, however income tax is not the only tax generated. Isn’t it obvious that everyone pays tax on every good/utility etc.

OP
Im sure you’ve checked through all the available avenues re paying the fees and there are many booklets out there with advice but here’s a basic rundown.
This may be posted in more than one part.

You pay a lot in fuel duty and VAT per litre of petrol/diesel to start with!