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to ask if you think Joe Wicks is tone deaf of just supportive of his wife?

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moderationincludingmoderation · 17/04/2023 21:07

Joe Wicks has caused a bit of a stir with a recent Instagram post - thoughts?

www.instagram.com/p/Cq8Q3XvrXqL/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

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Tarantullah · 17/04/2023 22:42

I don't see the issue, she has always been in shape far before she'd even met Joe. Not every post is for everyone, plenty of women who are in shape and fit carry on working out throughout pregnancy- often they're told they're harming the baby, vain or whatever other ignorant and untrue things people feel it's their place to say and it's nice to have someone to relate to. He's also a fitness influencer and I'm sure keeping fit is something they both have in common, not for aesthetics but as a lifestyle.

I find him generally intolerable and irritating though.

MysteryBelle · 17/04/2023 22:43

Have no idea who Joe Wicks is.

Blinky21 · 17/04/2023 22:44

Can't see a problem with it at all, why shouldn't he say he's proud, he doesn't need to apologise for his circumstances nor does anyone else

ilikepinknblue · 17/04/2023 22:44

Crimsonripple · 17/04/2023 21:35

My thought exactly! I actually think she looks far too skinny. I find these smug posts nauseating too. I'm sure if I had a PT and a nanny my figure would be amazing but alas I need to work a normal 9-5 job so I can't dick about in some hideous pink number in the gym during the day!!

Dick about in hideous pink number??

Why so much negativity? Did she or Joe Wicks offend you personally to warrant such reaction?

BoogleOogle · 17/04/2023 22:45

DonnaRix · 17/04/2023 21:21

They just hang the baby up on the bar

😂😂😂

MsCactus · 17/04/2023 22:45

I don't think this is good - I passed out throughout my pregnancy and couldn't exercise. I also had to bedrest at the end because my body was struggling so much (I'm a very small and slight build and baby was big).

All this "exercise when you're pregnant!" rhetoric is bullshit IMO and serves to make mothers feel bad if they don't.

I naively went into pregnancy thinking I could exercise throughout - then felt useless when I couldn't even stand without help from someone else at the end.

(Oh and I had a low risk, normal pregnancy)

Peapodburgundybouquet · 17/04/2023 22:46

moderationincludingmoderation · 17/04/2023 22:38

Tone deaf to not recognise that a huge amount of his audience wont have been, or wont be, physically or mentally able to excercise when pregnant, or post partum.

As others have said very eloquently, much better than me. There is a tone to his words that imply that all women are capable of this if they set their minds to it. And that simply isnt true. To me it's tome deaf, not to acknowledge that.

I have two very serious pregnancy complications. And I exercise. Every day except Sunday. And I have a child and a farm and a job and god knows what other responsibilities.

I make time to exercise, because it’s so valuable, so important and keeps me sane. I have doctor guidance.

There’s something everyone can do if they want to. But lots of people don’t want to, but get angry or upset or bitter about those who do.

I think the importance of exercise and pelvic floor exercises is not stressed enough during pregnancy. And it really should be.

MedievalMadness · 17/04/2023 22:46

Sounds tone deaf to me. Theres way too much pressure on women to ‘snap’ back into shape as quickly as possible post-partum and posts like this just reinforce this.

BoogleOogle · 17/04/2023 22:48

Dacadactyl · 17/04/2023 21:21

I mean, it's easier for her married to a multi millionaire to stay in shape. But I don't think he's tone deaf. Too many people kid themselves they're not in good shape cos they don't have time etc. But they're watching telly, on MN etc instead of moving around.

I can watch telly or go online while I breastfeed or my baby contact naps. I'd find it a bit harder to do that while doing lunges or press ups.

midnightblue12 · 17/04/2023 22:48

I think Joe wicks VERY much cares about coming across like the perfect dad/husband.

Moveoverdarlin · 17/04/2023 22:48

Why is it tone deaf? When you said that I assumed it was money related. But how is saying his wife has worked hard on her physical fitness tone deaf? In case it offends fatties?
In case people that don’t work out get upset?

I don’t get why anyone would be upset by this post. Fair play, she looks amazing and yes I know they have money, but still takes determination to work out when you have three kids under 5 (or whatever they are).

It’s not tone deaf. Tone deaf is saying during a cost of living crisis ‘Mmmm I can’t decide whether to buy a new Ferrari or a Lamborghini? Can all my little followers let me know what I should get in the comments below? Cheers Guys!’

piedbeauty · 17/04/2023 22:49

Grimeduster · 17/04/2023 21:18

I think the problem is he's congratulating her for all her hard work getting fit when they are millionaires with access to a chef, nanny, cleaner, gardener, stylists, personal assistants, etc. Plus she literally lives with a personal trainer!

None of that means she didn't work hard, and well done to her she looks fab. It's just a lot harder to train and shift the baby weight when you've been up all night with your colicky baby before an 8 shift at Sainsburys then home to cook, clean, wash, walk dog, garden, admin, etc.

Yes, this!

Knockon · 17/04/2023 22:50

i exercises before my children. Had to give up all but walking by 20 weeks with my second, and was pretty much down to sedentary lifestyle to recover from work by 30 weeks. Thought this was all explained at the birth of my dc2 because she was a pound and a half bigger than my first. I restarted exercising at 6 weeks and ended up with an injury that I had an MRI for and am now rehabbing unsuccessfully due to lack of time between work commute children and my general exhaustion. I had post natal anxiety which ground my functioning ability to a halt. I wanted to be who Rosie is. But there have been barriers. Some extrinsic, some intrinsic. Fundamentally I have been lazy. I could do more. I need to make changes.

i do see how this post is supportive. and smug.

if i had seen this last year, it would have crushed my spirits further because it’s what i wanted to be desperately but couldn’t make happen.

this year it half makes me sad that I haven’t got there (even slightly) that Im still injured and overweight. But that’s not joe wicks problem, but b his smugness really irritates me.

Ostryga · 17/04/2023 22:50

DonnaRix · 17/04/2023 21:55

The absolute jealousy, insecurity and defensiveness screaming out from these posts.

And I’m a fat shite.

God your tone! Are you Tory per chance 😂

It’s not jealousy, insecurity or defensive to find it vile that a man is celebrating his wife for weight loss. And at the same time making millions of women feel like shit because they didn’t have millions in the bank to employ a cleaner, nanny and everything else. I doubt Joe has ever spent one sleepless night 3 kids in. He seems like a shit person.

BettyBoopy · 17/04/2023 22:51

TeamSleep · 17/04/2023 21:18

My first thought is who’s looking after their children while they’re both at the gym all the time? It doesn’t bother me really but there’s no way I had time to do all that training with young children around.

I have 3 children of very similar ages to Rosie annd Joe and I barely have time to clean my teeth and brush my hair let alone lift weights. She does look amazing though and it's nice that he's proud of her. It doesn't make me feel like having a mental breakdown as we live completely different lives with different priorities and that's ok for everyone.

Blort · 17/04/2023 22:52

SouthLondonMum22 · 17/04/2023 22:40

I don't understand either. What's wrong with one of the grandparents looking after the children when they are on holiday or for them to talk about mix feeding?

Bizarre.

There's no way I'd write a posts on my social media talking about how amazing it's been to have loving gps and get away for a week at a festival with very little kids left at home. Or post about how we made all the right decisions about feeding our baby. Or about how I'm so happy with my husband because we regularly spend time alone and make love.

Are you trying so hard to defend him you can't pick up any sort of difficult tone? If I posted that my friends would let me know I was being a twat.

My comments re his feeding was that it came across as their baby is flexible and feeds well because of the decisions the parents made. We all know it's down to luck, at least most parents realise that after baby #2.

If anyone cant see his IG stories let me know and I will screenshot them. Its the tone through them all - one deaf post after another. I'd never write one of them let alone that many to such a wide audience - a week after getting a kicking in the press for coming across as smug.

ClaraBourne · 17/04/2023 22:52

I'd be able to comment if //he gave me a breakdown of her/his week and how much time she/he spent doing what activities then I'd be able to think about what other women could achieve in the same way.

Bunnycat101 · 17/04/2023 22:53

No issue with him saying he’s proud. Their lifestyle has been built on image and fitness
so it’s also not surprising she looks good at 7 months. What rings less true is the quotes in the article saying she did it on 3x 45m weights workouts. I just don’t buy that and I think it’s why something feels a bit off/not totally authentic. I’m sure a fairly restrictive diet would have been involved plus loads of other exercise. Now I suspect she didn’t have a lot to lose but it is a big thing to get to peak fitness that soon after a baby even if everything going to plan. I could well believe it after a first child- lots of women seem to bounce back very quickly after no.1. It doesn’t seem quite so common after no.2 or more and this was her third.

rumpsteak · 17/04/2023 22:54

Ostryga · 17/04/2023 22:50

God your tone! Are you Tory per chance 😂

It’s not jealousy, insecurity or defensive to find it vile that a man is celebrating his wife for weight loss. And at the same time making millions of women feel like shit because they didn’t have millions in the bank to employ a cleaner, nanny and everything else. I doubt Joe has ever spent one sleepless night 3 kids in. He seems like a shit person.

You don't need millions in the bank. a cleaner or a nanny. Getting fit is a personal choice that anyone can make as it costs nothing. This thread is absolutely about jealousy and I don't know what politics has to do with it?

Blort · 17/04/2023 22:55

And I think it's nice he's proud of Rosie - she has worked hard and their fitness is obvs v important to both of them.

I understand the argument of acknowledging your privilege in today's society but for a fitness influencer his post about Rosie was right on trend for all those going through a health/fitness transformation.

Tarantullah · 17/04/2023 22:56

ClaraBourne · 17/04/2023 22:52

I'd be able to comment if //he gave me a breakdown of her/his week and how much time she/he spent doing what activities then I'd be able to think about what other women could achieve in the same way.

He's not saying other women need to achieve the same, he even states he knows genetics play a part for all of the I can't be slim because of x, y or z. Why have we reached the point where no one can celebrate anything without others harping on about how it might make someone else feel shit. I hate it.

As stated earlier I am not a fan of his at all in any shape or form, but people are being vile to her and ridiculous about him on here.

Lovelyring · 17/04/2023 22:58

Pandyluna · 17/04/2023 21:17

I mean they are massively privileged in that they have all the money they want for nannies, right food, chefs, at home PT, access to gym, space, etc etc so I guess some acknowledgment might be nice as that’s not in the reach of most women. But then what could he say if not he’s proud of her for putting the effort

I don't see anything wrong with it. I know several people who have worked very hard to regain their fitness postpartum and do not have nannies or chefs or other help, although they do have supportive husbands. They love exercise and are hard working so they just make time for it.

Tarantullah · 17/04/2023 22:58

Bunnycat101 · 17/04/2023 22:53

No issue with him saying he’s proud. Their lifestyle has been built on image and fitness
so it’s also not surprising she looks good at 7 months. What rings less true is the quotes in the article saying she did it on 3x 45m weights workouts. I just don’t buy that and I think it’s why something feels a bit off/not totally authentic. I’m sure a fairly restrictive diet would have been involved plus loads of other exercise. Now I suspect she didn’t have a lot to lose but it is a big thing to get to peak fitness that soon after a baby even if everything going to plan. I could well believe it after a first child- lots of women seem to bounce back very quickly after no.1. It doesn’t seem quite so common after no.2 or more and this was her third.

She kept active through pregnancy though, she probably didn't put much weight on besides the actual baby and related products weight. Its much easier to 'snap back' if you've not actually snapped that far the other way. I think it's great that it's showing her working hard and doing strength training as I'm sure some people still think starving yourself is the way to go to lose weight when it's not healthy.

U2HasTheEdge · 17/04/2023 22:58

Oh ffs, people can't celebrate anything these days.

If you think there is a 'tone' that he thinks all women should, or could, look like his wife at 7 months pp then that is your issue, and you are looking for a tone that isn't there to justify your own insecurities.

She looks great and he's proud of her. Even if I was married to a PT, and had access to a home gym, chefs and childcare on tap, I could never achieve what she has because I don't have the motivation or desire to. I'm too lazy. She has got where she has through hard work and dedication.

If shit like this upsets you a social media break might be helpful. He doesn't have to acknowledge any privilege or put a disclaimer that not all women can or should look like this to pander to other people's feelings.

ilikepinknblue · 17/04/2023 22:59

daretodenim · 17/04/2023 21:41

Why is it tone deaf? Because some women don’t prioritise fitness after pregnancy or kids that means someone who does isn’t allowed to mention it?

This is basically why it's tone deaf. Because of the assumption that this woman prioritised fitness over other things, while the mothers who are overweight haven't had the right priorities, made the right decisions or are in some way not as good as his wife. And his post is clearly about weight loss, as well as strength, based on the photo he posted at Coachella with the text.

I do wonder if he'd be just as gushingly proud of her on social media if she'd been plagued by postpartum depression for months and had postpartum thyroiditis meaning not only did she put weight on, but she couldn't get it off. And she was falling asleep left right and centre due to it rather than spending time working out. And then she fought through all that and started feeling better, but was a bit rounder. He may be personally proud in those circumstances, but he'd not be posting about it in the same way.

He's proud his wife is back to being thin and fit and he's proud of the effort it took her. And he's proud he can show her off. That's fine. He's free to show the body of his wife off (it's actually a really weird thing to do when you think about it, unless she's a trophy) to promote his brand.

Personally if I was married to someone who saw my worth like that I'd be reaching for the biscuit tin! 😂

I do wonder if he'd be just as gushingly proud of her on social media if she'd been plagued by postpartum depression for months and had postpartum thyroiditis meaning not only did she put weight on, but she couldn't get it off.

Why would you assume that in these scenarios, he wouldn't have been proud of her? He might have been proud of her for taking whatever little care of herself despite her mental health struggles, for giving birth to his kids. To me he seems like a positive, supportive man. He values fitness but does not mean he cannot be appreciative of other things.