Page 13 | to ask if you think Joe Wicks is tone deaf of just supportive of his wife?

moderationincludingmoderation · 2023-04-17T20:07:42+00:00

Joe Wicks has caused a bit of a stir with a recent Instagram post - thoughts? https://www.instagram.com/p/Cq8Q3XvrXqL/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Maple2023 · 18/04/2023 12:15

Yeah it's complicated
I mean you could be healthy one day then be diagnosed with cancer but then cancer isn't "unhealthy" technically, it's a health issue...

I dunno. Like I said I don't judge at all, worked very very hard to not gossip, judge or think anything about other people because life is hard enough
Don't drink, exercise regularly (and hard), eat pretty well and do what I can as well as blood tests every 12 weeks

But some people would say I'm not healthy because of the number on the scales or because I have existing not weight related lifelong conditions. That's their issue and not my concern

Stravaig · 18/04/2023 12:24

Brokendownclotheshorse · 17/04/2023 21:53

Staying healthy and not gaining weight is a good thing. You don’t have to love it but it’s a fact that it’s not good to gain weight, especially in pregnancy. I had to loose weight and be super healthy in order to go through fertility treatment. After I was lucky enough to get pregnant I worked hard not to gain weight (beyond the baby). After giving birth I went back to pre pregnancy weight pretty quickly. It’s not hard if you don’t gain a lot in the first place. I am proud of getting fit and getting pregnant! I think it’s ok for people to share this. There is too much nonsense about “eating for 2” and the belief that you are supposed to gain lots of weight when pregnant.

What a fantastic post! Thank you 💕

RoseHenley · 18/04/2023 15:01

ItsCalledAConversation · 17/04/2023 21:12

Urgh I used to love Joe but all his recent posts are about her. He’s the famous interesting one, she’s just a skinny dolly bird as far as I can see. He seems to hero worship her for popping out kids and then beast of herself back into Coachella-mini-dress-wearing shape. It’s turgid and boring of both of them. I actually unfollowed him today for this reason, so it’s quite funny this post has come up.

If you're jealous, just say 😂

LolaSmiles · 18/04/2023 15:41

'Healthy' is a relative and time-limited term. You can be medically fit as a smoker, heavy drinker and burn every time the sun comes out, but none of those things are advisable as they increase your risk of bad health outcomes. Being overweight is a big risk factor in so many ways, and being healthy now doesn't mean that is permanent. By being overweight a person is not doing all they can to maximise their health and minimise morbidity and mortality risk. Rosie Wicks is and looks great for it. Yeah Joe is a bit smug, all that 'baby trees' stuff for Broccoli, and pretending that a few star jumps for 15 minutes will get you his physique when its obvious he lifts heavy, but his message is positive and infinitely more valuable to society than 'fat and healthy' etc.

Agree with this.
I found it much nicer following account and reading blogs where mums were engaging in appropriate exercise for them in their postpartum season (or none at all until months later) than following the sort of content creators who seem to laugh about being a mummy, eating for two, accepting that nobody's ever going to have time to work out, and general excuses about why mummy drinks too much wine and grazes from her children's leftovers. It was nice seeing other women with different experiences making positive choices that were right for them instead of being passive and acting like they've no choices.

Exercise aside, I hated mummy content that was all about frazzled mothers having no interests, no hobbies, eating crap and drinking wine, which might have affected my outlook.

Kolakalia · 18/04/2023 16:33

LolaSmiles · 18/04/2023 15:41

'Healthy' is a relative and time-limited term. You can be medically fit as a smoker, heavy drinker and burn every time the sun comes out, but none of those things are advisable as they increase your risk of bad health outcomes. Being overweight is a big risk factor in so many ways, and being healthy now doesn't mean that is permanent. By being overweight a person is not doing all they can to maximise their health and minimise morbidity and mortality risk. Rosie Wicks is and looks great for it. Yeah Joe is a bit smug, all that 'baby trees' stuff for Broccoli, and pretending that a few star jumps for 15 minutes will get you his physique when its obvious he lifts heavy, but his message is positive and infinitely more valuable to society than 'fat and healthy' etc.

Agree with this.
I found it much nicer following account and reading blogs where mums were engaging in appropriate exercise for them in their postpartum season (or none at all until months later) than following the sort of content creators who seem to laugh about being a mummy, eating for two, accepting that nobody's ever going to have time to work out, and general excuses about why mummy drinks too much wine and grazes from her children's leftovers. It was nice seeing other women with different experiences making positive choices that were right for them instead of being passive and acting like they've no choices.

Exercise aside, I hated mummy content that was all about frazzled mothers having no interests, no hobbies, eating crap and drinking wine, which might have affected my outlook.

Yes! I hate that content too. Normalises alcoholism, for a start, and makes you feel really weird if you don't feel like your entire life has ground to a halt. The whole 'nothing but a mum' identity is so alienating.

Tr33sPl3as3 · 18/04/2023 16:42

I bet she isn’t trying to hold down a job and balancing a budget to cope with the cost of living. I couldn’t spend what she clearly spends on herself in time or money( gym membership and equipment, clothes, grooming l, expensive food….).

A really silly post. Imvho those of us coping with general living and children are doing enough and I personally value that more. When kids get to teens you realise all the smuggery involved with raising children is pointless.

ShirleyPhallus · 18/04/2023 16:55

Tr33sPl3as3 · 18/04/2023 16:42

I bet she isn’t trying to hold down a job and balancing a budget to cope with the cost of living. I couldn’t spend what she clearly spends on herself in time or money( gym membership and equipment, clothes, grooming l, expensive food….).

A really silly post. Imvho those of us coping with general living and children are doing enough and I personally value that more. When kids get to teens you realise all the smuggery involved with raising children is pointless.

It’s not either / or though is it, some people can do both

Working out and being healthy so you’re around for longer for your kids and can play with them more - that’s not “smuggery”

Tr33sPl3as3 · 18/04/2023 16:59

People are struggling to feed their families and keep the heating on. Holding down jobs in the real world alongside parenting is gruelling. Who has the time or money to spend hours in the gym? Very self indulgent and quite shallow. Really tactless in current times too. Eat as best you can and keeping vaguely healthy is good enough. I don’t admire hours spent on peak fitness.

JocelynBurnell · 18/04/2023 17:16

Exercise aside, I hated mummy content that was all about frazzled mothers having no interests, no hobbies, eating crap and drinking wine, which might have affected my outlook

You could be run out of town for say this. 😆

FortnightWithFriends · 18/04/2023 17:20

Never looked like that and never will. Regardless of privilege, she has worked for that body. Well done to her.

LolaSmiles · 18/04/2023 17:28

You could be run out of town for say this. 😆
I know! This is Mumsnet so it will probably happen.

I think me and DH and a bit uptight because whilst parenting is hard and we've done our fair share of sleepless nights and tantrums, neither of us liked content that was like "hahaha mummy needs wine and is counting down to prosecco o clock. Children drive me to alcohol" / "isn't it hilarious that I burn oven food, my children are in stained and grimy clothes hahaha" (usually some annoying middle class mum )/ "here's some assorted content about why daddies are so useless and couldn't put a babygrow on without being given instructions from mummy" / "hahah, look at this, daddy is babysitting and the house has gone to shit because daddy is so silly".

I'd much rather see someone's content that's:

here's this cool routine I found that got me walking for 15 minutes a day with baby
here's a dad being a great parent because sexist content about dad's being useless only helps encourage lazy fathers
here's someone who has found a way to fit a short work out in at home
here's someone who accepts parenting is hard, but has tried something that worked for them and you might find useful

I think sometimes people like negative content / dislike content where people make positive choices because it might give a nudge that they have agency. (Runs for cover, even though I say that as someone who totally had some months with young DC where I picked the lazy option. I'd just not get irritated by other people making better choices than me).

Tarantullah · 18/04/2023 17:40

Exercise aside, I hated mummy content that was all about frazzled mothers having no interests, no hobbies, eating crap and drinking wine, which might have affected my outlook.

Same, yet for some reason that's always applauded and held up as a good example of being relatable. Ew.

McOrange · 18/04/2023 17:42

Tr33sPl3as3 · 18/04/2023 16:59

People are struggling to feed their families and keep the heating on. Holding down jobs in the real world alongside parenting is gruelling. Who has the time or money to spend hours in the gym? Very self indulgent and quite shallow. Really tactless in current times too. Eat as best you can and keeping vaguely healthy is good enough. I don’t admire hours spent on peak fitness.

The mummy martyrdom is strong here

ShirleyPhallus · 18/04/2023 17:45

If anyone is genuinely looking for short decent workouts from someone who knows what they’re doing - postpartum tv on YouTube is great. The woman who runs it does pregnant, PP, post c section workouts and things like low impact hiit, core, cardio, walking workouts, stretching, yoga etc. She does 10/15/20 min ones too for when you’re short of time

a really great place to start if you’re not sure

SouthLondonMum22 · 18/04/2023 18:20

Tarantullah · 18/04/2023 17:40

Exercise aside, I hated mummy content that was all about frazzled mothers having no interests, no hobbies, eating crap and drinking wine, which might have affected my outlook.

Same, yet for some reason that's always applauded and held up as a good example of being relatable. Ew.

Yes! I'm another one who hates stuff like that. I don't relate to it at all.

3WildOnes · 18/04/2023 18:29

Tr33sPl3as3 · 18/04/2023 16:59

People are struggling to feed their families and keep the heating on. Holding down jobs in the real world alongside parenting is gruelling. Who has the time or money to spend hours in the gym? Very self indulgent and quite shallow. Really tactless in current times too. Eat as best you can and keeping vaguely healthy is good enough. I don’t admire hours spent on peak fitness.

How is it self indulgent to take time to keep fit and healthy? What a load of nonsense. I don't go to the gym but I try to go for a run or do an exercise video most days.

Original poster

moderationincludingmoderation · 18/04/2023 18:30

I think all the mummy wine & burnt fish fingers content was a sort of antidote to decades of societal pressure to bounce back body wise, exclusively breast feed, have a natural birth etc. and basically be unrealistically perfect sort of thing?

I found it refreshing initially but it went a bit far and got a bit boring as so many jumped on the bandwagon?

OP posts:

LolaSmiles · 18/04/2023 19:26

moderationincludingmoderation
I agree with you. It started as people being open about the ups and downs of motherhood but has morphed into a weird rush to the bottom, which seems to have overlapped nicely with a cultural shift where people seem to take real issues with other people talking about positive choices.

Some people have always exercised, and some more than others. Some people rarely exercise or never exercise.
Some people who exercised before and during pregnancy are likely to want to get back to it after pregnancy as and when it's appropriate for their postpartum life. For some reason other people seem to think one woman sharing what's right for her is a judgement on them despite having different pregnancies and different lives.

Curseofthenation · 18/04/2023 19:28

Lots of people do have a natural birth, exclusively breastfeed and bounce back. Being proud of that doesn't take anything away from other women that didn't have that experience. It's as if no one is allowed to be happy or proud of themselves anymore. We all need to be 'real' aka miserable and pessimistic.

I had a forceps delivery, it wasn't what I wanted but I don't resent women that had natural births or the fact they may be proud of that. As long as they aren't sneering at other women then good for them! The same goes for women that bounce back and breastfeed.

It must be miserable to be so jealous and bitter. It's no way to live.

EmptyWineGlass · 18/04/2023 20:31

Can't see a problem with it. I would have found this post reassuring when I was pregnant - nice to think maybe I could do that too, etc.

EmptyWineGlass · 18/04/2023 20:34

I've just looked through the whole post - she really is in amazing shape! I'm inspired.

StepAwayFromTheBiscuitJar · 18/04/2023 22:19

moderationincludingmoderation · 17/04/2023 21:13

Here's another link

www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/joe-wicks-accused-giving-new-29708484.amp

Basically he has posted photos and videos of his wife, saying how proud he is of how much effort she has made with keeping fit theoughout 3 pregnancies etx. Sleep deprivation etc. and how great she looks 6 months post partum.

AIBU to find it a bit tone deaf?

I'd imagine that most of the people getting wound up are overweight women who don't like the guilt trip.

elevenplusdilemma · 19/04/2023 13:22

TeamSleep · 17/04/2023 21:18

My first thought is who’s looking after their children while they’re both at the gym all the time? It doesn’t bother me really but there’s no way I had time to do all that training with young children around.

They exercise at home or take it in turns to visit the gym. Sometimes his mum (or her mum) visits and Joe and Rosie will take advantage of that and train together while someone is watching the kids. They don't use nannies.

QueSyrahSyrah · 20/04/2023 22:25

He's at it again, guilt-tripping and shaming Women in their 50s who aren't lifting weights and keeping healthy.

(Or just being proud of his Mum who it sounds like has overcome a lot of hardship and poor mental health. Always hard to tell with Joe )

dollybird · 21/04/2023 07:47

QueSyrahSyrah · 20/04/2023 22:25

He's at it again, guilt-tripping and shaming Women in their 50s who aren't lifting weights and keeping healthy.

(Or just being proud of his Mum who it sounds like has overcome a lot of hardship and poor mental health. Always hard to tell with Joe )

I just saw that. Hated the 'she banged out' expression for his mum gave birth 🙄😡