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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to be so torn regarding having a baby on my own?

103 replies

Frankenweenie · 17/04/2023 19:54

Name changed for this one. I have a lovely son, age 4, about to go to school. I don't want a relationship. I've been single since he was born and absolutely love being a lone parent. I'm good financially, I live in a lovely house which I've made my own, have a good job, and lots of family support. I love my life. I really, really would love another child, possibly two but not thought too far ahead yet. I've been toying with the idea of sperm donation. I'd love to do it, but the only thing stopping me is the worry that a child could grow up to be affected by the way they were conceived. Is it ethical? Is it really OK to do this? I'm so torn. I want another biological child but don't want to if they're going to potentially be traumatised by the mere fact that they exist. It sounds awfully dramatic but I feel like a lot of people don't think about this side of things. Does anyone have an opinion on it?

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Weallgottachangesometime · 17/04/2023 22:00

There are some donor conceived people with accounts on TikTok who share their experiences of being donor conceived.

MaryTemple · 17/04/2023 22:06

If you Google you'll find a study released in the last few days which found that a child's conception isn't indicative of their happiness.

Sounds like your No2 would be born into a very loving home. Go for it!

TheShade · 17/04/2023 22:19

Unethical on what grounds? Surprised by some of these responses.

Nicecow · 17/04/2023 22:22

SnackSizeRaisin · 17/04/2023 20:06

My opinion is that it's unethical to deliberately deprive a child of a father (or mother) and the child will probably have lifelong issues as a result.

You will probably get loads of people on here telling you to just go for it though.

A friend of mine has a child by sperm donor, she's a single mum by choice. Her child is now 2 and asking about his daddy. It's heartbreaking. Not only does he have no dad, he has no grandparents or any family on that side or even photos to look at or stories about them.

I know that lots of children end up with absent fathers through various circumstances. But what sort of mother would deliberately choose that for their child? Doesn't seem very loving.

I agree with this. My ex was infertile and his two children were devastated they were older and the sperm donors didn't want to know them. Having children is selfish anyway, but some choices are more selfish than others when you know the chances certain outcomes

RuffledKestrel · 17/04/2023 22:38

Personally I think having a child is, ethically speaking, a selfish act no matter how they are conceived. But I know I'm in the minority in thinking this.

However I'd been around enough families to have noticed that it's not how a child is brought into the world that really matters.
It's who they are surrounded by growing up, their experiences and connections that make them into well rounded humans.
I think you are doing the right thing by thinking about future discussions with the child, how you may approach different situations and talks.
If you feel you are comfortable with those talks, perhaps talk to your family and close friends about it? It would be easier if your friends and family are supporting after all.

If after all that you still feel confident that you want another child, the. Go for it I say. Yes there may be difficult discussion down the line, there may be awkward situations and weird questions/looks.
But that is life. No matter how it's created.

DonorConceivedMe · 17/04/2023 22:42

I’m donor conceived (sperm donor) and I would urge you not to do it. Look up “anonymous us” for lots of accounts from donor conceived people.

Daffodilmorning · 17/04/2023 22:42

I think it’s a difficult decision. Obviously plenty of people are wonderful single parents with happy, well adjusted children… but choosing to have a child that will grow up with no connection to one biological parent feels different to making the best of a bad situation (like discovering that your partner isn’t the man you thought he was).

Soakitup37 · 17/04/2023 23:10

I could have written this a few years back - after my divorce at 32 with 1 ds, the only constant thought I had was I want more children, it was such a pull on my heart I even said to family if I don’t have anymore by 37 ish I’ll go it alone.

I looked into it heavily in 2019 and there are free seminars (In London at least) which I attended with likeminded women going though the same thought process, it was really interesting to speak to others and see where they were at on their journey ( some currently going through ivf, others picking the sperm- which is highly competitive in the uk due to privacy laws from sperm donation) many source overseas
in the end, which adds costs.

I was like you though, my life was good and settled so it threw up a lot of questions anout the moral stance. After the seminar it actually put me off and I decided I prob wouldn’t put myself through the stress in every sense of the word. The lack of father figure, honestly was my biggest concern, knowing s/he would one day ask.

life had other plans for me anyway, I ended up falling pregnant from a summer fling in 2021, and I ended up with another ds anyway.

personally I don’t think there’s a right or wrong option, I image anyone telling you don’t do it has never experienced the heart wrench of desire of having (more) children, not being “done” but circumstances being unfairly out of control to change that. That said not having another will also bring you lots of benefits that you look back and think it’s so much better because I didn’t have another. I know I see both sides now, if ds1 was all I had life was freeing, easy and gave him 100% of everything I have to give.

ds2 had brought joy to us both and I feel so fortunate to feel done now with my little family and content, but my goodness 2 alone is knackering on another level!

good luck whatever you decide!

monsteramunch · 17/04/2023 23:26

To those who say it's selfish to deprive a child of a father, genuine question - does that mean you don't believe it's right for a lesbian couple to have a child?

usererror99 · 18/04/2023 05:43

monsteramunch · 17/04/2023 23:26

To those who say it's selfish to deprive a child of a father, genuine question - does that mean you don't believe it's right for a lesbian couple to have a child?

Yes. I don't believe it's right for two couples of the same sex or single parents by choice of either sex or heterosexual couples to use sperm and/or egg donors

Tandora · 18/04/2023 05:54

SnackSizeRaisin · 17/04/2023 20:06

My opinion is that it's unethical to deliberately deprive a child of a father (or mother) and the child will probably have lifelong issues as a result.

You will probably get loads of people on here telling you to just go for it though.

A friend of mine has a child by sperm donor, she's a single mum by choice. Her child is now 2 and asking about his daddy. It's heartbreaking. Not only does he have no dad, he has no grandparents or any family on that side or even photos to look at or stories about them.

I know that lots of children end up with absent fathers through various circumstances. But what sort of mother would deliberately choose that for their child? Doesn't seem very loving.

Wow you sound like a great “friend” and not the least judgemental.

LBFseBrom · 18/04/2023 06:19

Frankenweenie · 17/04/2023 21:02

Thanks everyone. My son's dad has no part in his life. This is for the best and has been determined by the courts. My ideal would be to co parent with a gay couple, but again would worry about how id even go about this, and also that my existing son would feel left out. I'm only thinking about options at the moment but my gut is telling me not to, so I don't think ultimately I will.

Good post, Frankenweenie, and I get where you are coming from; the ending shows courage and determination,

I cannot and would not advise but in this case I can definitely say that your current situation, just the two of you, seems ideal in view of what you went with the father.

Why rock the boat? You are happy. An only child can have a really good life if her/his parent welcomes his/her friends, is laid back, clever and kindly. That doesn't last forever, before you know it you will have time for yourself in fact you can nurture yourself all the time, do things that you like to do, read, eat different foods, have a nap, write letters, do puzzles, watch TV and videos. Life is comfortable. You will have friends and colleagues on your wavelength and you do what you can to maintain good health. Life is pretty good.

I know what I would do (but I'm not you).

Very good luck.

jeaux90 · 18/04/2023 07:04

I'm a lone parent to DD13 and been a lone parent since she was 1.

What I would say is life with just her and I is amazing.

I wouldn't have considered another one just because of everything she needs from me especially now as a teen.

I also wouldn't have wanted to create any inequality around circumstances of parenting, or co-parenting.

I do understand it's hard to come to terms with just having one, but it was honestly the best decision.

I can afford holidays and private school for her (she has ASD and ADHD) so had to go private for diagnostic purposes.

Just having one is truly a gift IMO.

Ludlow2 · 18/04/2023 07:10

Frankenweenie · 17/04/2023 21:02

Thanks everyone. My son's dad has no part in his life. This is for the best and has been determined by the courts. My ideal would be to co parent with a gay couple, but again would worry about how id even go about this, and also that my existing son would feel left out. I'm only thinking about options at the moment but my gut is telling me not to, so I don't think ultimately I will.

What's our fostering or adoption.
There are so many children needing g a loving home and someone to care for them.

Piratesue · 18/04/2023 07:14

I think rather than asking on AIBU which can vary day to day on responses you would be much better seeking out specific fb or charity groups and for some real first hand accounts and advice. So many posters on here have no knowledge and this is such a big issue.
For what its worth, you sound very considerate and I would agree with PP about lesbian couples with no dads, or other absent fathers the children are fine.
Your son has a great relationship with you dad which is positive, and I am sure you have other Male figures in your life. A friend of mine went to done twice and her children are well adjusted with no issues at all. But again please speak to people that know what they are talking about!!

Koala3d · 18/04/2023 07:23

I’m a single mum by choice. It is the best thing I’ve ever done. You need to go into it clearly and always be completely honest with your children and ready to talk to them about their history and to celebrate how they came into the world.
I am bringing up my kids to be very close with my extended family and they are secure and happy and know that they can meet the donor when they are older.
vastly more ethical than settling for a relationship solely to get pregnant and a calmer and more stable way to bring a child into the world imo

AlienatedChildGrown · 18/04/2023 08:21

I did a deep dive read accounts of adopted children in the 50s/60s Magdalen Laundry era.

Followed up by extensive reading of the more recent accounts of the now adult children born via gamete donation and/or surrogacy.

What hit hard was how much they had in common with me, in terms of grief and long term negative baggage to lug through life.

Our circumstances of distance from a parent came about very differently. But the source of pain appears located in very similar areas. Deprived of one parent. By the other.

I at least can reconcile that my alienating parent was in the turmoil of intense pain, betrayal and fear. A case of impulse poorly resisted, setting up a context where the gravity of the untruth meant the lie had to be perpetuating, or the consequences would be enormous. She didn’t do it to me on purpose, calmly, just to justify her wants as a priority over my needs. Whereas the accounts I read of those who are created to be alienated don’t have that.

It’s a very strange situation to find yourself in. Feeling lucky, after 30 years + of suicide ideation, that at least your parent didn’t do it to you on purpose, with a clear head.

Not all now adult children from different forms of alienating circumstances will have the same perspectives.

But I did notice that what quite a lot of us, despite the differing circumstances, had long maintained a “didn’t do me any harm” position.

Which dissolved decades later, when the pressure to maintain a happy defence of the parent was no match for the pressure of a wound left to fester until it’s infected too many chunks of your “soul”.

My remaining parent and I found out that “you can only be as happy as your least happy child” was true in our case. God knows we’ve both paid an insanely high price for a feeling based, knee jerk choice made when in turmoil. If I thought it had been done with a clear-ish head and time to think it over, I’m not sure the forgiveness that eventually came would have happened in the same time frame, or at all.

Twinedpeaks · 18/04/2023 08:24

DonorConceivedMe · 17/04/2023 22:42

I’m donor conceived (sperm donor) and I would urge you not to do it. Look up “anonymous us” for lots of accounts from donor conceived people.

I don't know how to ask this without it seeming rude, so forgive me - what alternative would you prefer for yourself? Would you really rather not exist?

SBHon · 18/04/2023 08:49

usererror99 · 18/04/2023 05:43

Yes. I don't believe it's right for two couples of the same sex or single parents by choice of either sex or heterosexual couples to use sperm and/or egg donors

Wow. It’s not often people come right out and say “I’m homophobic”.

RudsyFarmer · 18/04/2023 08:56

I had no opinion on this pre-children. I honestly thought sperm donation was a solution to a problem and it went no deeper than that. Since I’ve had children and worked with children I’ve been surprised just how important it is to them to have a mother and father. If not to ‘have’ a father then at least know who the father is and understand where they came from family and heritage wise. That link is key and for that reason I’d have to say I don’t think it’s a good idea although I believe your intentions are pure.

Judgyjudgy · 18/04/2023 09:04

Piratesue · 18/04/2023 07:14

I think rather than asking on AIBU which can vary day to day on responses you would be much better seeking out specific fb or charity groups and for some real first hand accounts and advice. So many posters on here have no knowledge and this is such a big issue.
For what its worth, you sound very considerate and I would agree with PP about lesbian couples with no dads, or other absent fathers the children are fine.
Your son has a great relationship with you dad which is positive, and I am sure you have other Male figures in your life. A friend of mine went to done twice and her children are well adjusted with no issues at all. But again please speak to people that know what they are talking about!!

This. Find out from actual children conceived like this who are now adults

user1492757084 · 18/04/2023 09:09

Have you thought of dating to find a lovely partner?
You could enjoy going out with blokes until you meet a really decent one who might be positive.
You know you manage well alone so unless something better comes along, stay single and happy.

gumball37 · 18/04/2023 09:25

I can't say about long term as my youngest 2 are only 4 and 6, but they were donor babies. So far it's been a non-issue.

emptythelitterbox · 18/04/2023 09:36

I'd be skeptical of some of the replies on here talking about it being unethical. Many likely to be disgruntled males.

No one discusses the ethics when so many fathers abandon their own children and walk away without a care.

It sounds like you have a lovely nurturing family environment to raise your son and would apply to another child you decide to have. That's the most important thing.

I'm sure there are ways to discuss and include your son and family in your decision, making it a positive experience.

WhatALightbulbMoment · 18/04/2023 09:43

I don't agree with sperm donation, I don't think it's fair to knowingly deprive a child of their father.
However, the real problem in your situation is that having one child is a doddle, whereas two is a completely different ball game. Having two is hard even when both parents are present, I can't imagine how tough it must be for a single mum. So in my opinion, leaving aside the difficult issue of sperm donation, I definitely wouldn't complicate your and your son's life by having another child. I'd focus on enjoying the lovely life you have, and on being a good mum to your DC.