Well fuck me pink and call me Rosie. AIBU?

[TooBigForMyBoots]

Do you know that Belfast and NI are in the British Isles? Are you aware that some British people claim they do not know that NI is in the same timezone as the rest of the UK?

YABU = You can't expect British people to know the history and geography of their country.
YANBU = Of course British people know this stuff. Anyone who says otherwise is having you on.

Northern Irish are very lucky because they can choose to be Irish as well and have dual citizenship and therefore are also European citizens.

I really cannot stand this self deprecating “aren’t British people stupid, let’s take the piss out of them
Self deprecating means taking the piss out of yourself.

I don't think I was ever taught how far away NI is at school.
But Google maps tells me Belfast is further away than Paris.
If we know that the closer of the 2 has,a different time zone, it wouldn't be totally unreasonable to assume the further away one does too.

And as we also know that some countries have different time zones in different places, it also stands to reason that England and NI might.

(For the record, if I'd have been asked I'd have been 99% certain that we did have the same time zone. But I wouldn't have been surprised if we didn't)

@Jourdain11 sorry for my badly worded comment. I didnt mean that you didn't know about time zones at all. Just that you didn't know about the England/NI one being the same.

Which 'vote' was this?

See, Scotland, Wales and Ireland I'm still working on trying to get into my head lol, know the English ones, several Scotland and Ireland ones but Wales needs a bit more work! 😁

The majority of people in the UK do know there's four constituent parts of it. That's pretty clear from opinion polling.

I think you're basing that on anecdotes which is shaky. There are people in Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland who cannot name all 32 counties on the island. Its not surprising as people gravitate towards their surrounding areas more rather than the entire lot anywhere in the world.

I'm sure many of them cannot name all of Northern Ireland's electoral constituencies either.

Honestly, yes.

The 1973 referendum which met international rules, BTW.

….yes. I know. Exactly my point. (?)

Which 'vote' was this?
🤣

Indeed.

DH’s family are from NI. They refer to themselves as Irish. Never British.

That's why I wear a watch. But I still have to look at and feel it before I give directions.🙈

There was a referendum that said people from NI had to refer to themselves as ‘Northern Irish’ or ‘British’ rather than ‘Irish’.

Mist have missed that one

There are people in Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland who cannot name all 32 counties on the island.
I find that hard to believe.

Why?

OP has PMd me to ask what thread I think this TAAT is about.

Im surprised she had to ask seeing as she was making posts about this on another thread just a few hours ago

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4782360-starmer-insults-womens-intelligence-to-blame-sunak-for-judicial-failures-when-it-was-starmers-cps-that-failed-to-prosecute-rapists?page=15&reply=125460171

I don't think I was ever taught how far away NI is at school.
But Google maps tells me Belfast is further away than Paris.
If we know that the closer of the 2 has,a different time zone, it wouldn't be totally unreasonable to assume the further away one does too.
That's a good point - doesn't time zones go on latitude, your position in relation to GMT ( ie Greenwich mean time, aka London time)
So deviate further away east or west the bigger the time zone
Northern Ireland and England are the same country so same time zone
Now awaits someone coming along to correct me, if so that's OK as willing to learn and be corrected if need be 😁

@TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl Because anyone who is educated in Ireland have had the Provinces and the counties therein drilled into them. Maybe different in NI but anyone who's into GAA will be able to name every county.

Why? A lot of people can't name all the counties in their own country, or states.

Only those who have an Irish passport are classed as EU citizens. Those who don't aren't classed as EU citizens.

1,000,000 people in Northern Ireland hold a UK passport.

614,300 people in Northern Ireland hold an Irish passport.

So, most people aren't going to be classed as EU citizens at passport control in the EU....

Umm...just want to throw in as someone who had to take the life in the UK test to obtain British citizenship, the official view is certainly that if you want to be British you need to know the basics (and more) about this country.

I’ve asked OP 3 times which ‘people’ she means that she is so concerned that she thinks this lack of time zone knowledge is a UK phenomena.

Turns out one person said it. This obtuse “Oh my god does British people think Belfast is in a different time zone, wow” nonsense is very peculiar and ironically not very bright.

I have a Scottish friend who’d never heard of Albert Einstein. She was 33. I managed to not assume swathes of Scottish people also don’t know who Albert Einstein is because I’m not a weirdo or a goady fucker.

In future can you put "English people are all shit and we're brilliant" in the thread title so we don't accidentally open it? 😉

@CremeEggQueen this explains why Ireland uses GMT www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/dublin-lost-its-time-zone-and-25-minutes-after-1916-rising-1.1977411

Cheers for the link @TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl. I was just so blown away that middle aged women who've voted in numerous referendums and elections didn't know that Belfast was in the same timezone as the rest of the UK and wanted to find out how widespread this was.

This is not a thread about Sunak and Starmer having a go at eachother. It isn't even a thread about politics.