Well fuck me pink and call me Rosie. AIBU?

[TooBigForMyBoots]

Do you know that Belfast and NI are in the British Isles? Are you aware that some British people claim they do not know that NI is in the same timezone as the rest of the UK?

YABU = You can't expect British people to know the history and geography of their country.
YANBU = Of course British people know this stuff. Anyone who says otherwise is having you on.

A thread about a thread doesn't just mean one about the same OP as another thread. You had a moan on the original thread and then started your own to further garner support for your view that the other poster was stupid. 👏
Whatever happened to "not in the spirit of Mumsnet"?

Thank you for your response @Everydayshouldbe. I disagree that I was "moaning" on that thread or that I am seeking "support" for anything I posted on another thread by starting this one.

If you have issue with anything I have said elsewhere on MNet, please address it on the thread.

TIA.

You can stand on the border of Michigan and look into Illinois. They share a border but not the same time. You can literally take five steps and lose an hour. Ridiculing people for not knowing there is no time difference because two places look close on a map hardly positions you as so much cleverer than them. Two places being close by each other doesn’t guarantee there will be no time difference.

Maybe MNHQ think that this thread absolutely embodies the spirit of MN!

I didn't have to go looking for other threads OP - your comments are here for anyone to see in the screenshots attached to the post I've quoted above.
I've reported your OP, let's leave it at that.

Oops, attachments don't show when you quote

We are not talking about 2 random places on a map. We are talking about the UK citizens, in the UK, a country with only 1 time zone.

The point is, saying "you can see from one to the other, they must be the same time zone" doesn't necessarily make sense. You can see France from England on a clear day, but they're not in the same time zone.

I was replying to a pp who insisted that because the two countries are close by each other then anyone who doesn’t know they share a time zone must be stupid. I was explaining that two places being close to each other does not guarantee they will share a time zone. That poster had in fact mentioned other countries.

I notice you still haven’t explained why you think sneering at those who don’t know things is helpful or useful?

Michigan and Illinois (and I'm sure their residents don't think they're random places 🤔) is just one example of that point.

Apart from County Donegal, the entirety of the ROI is to the south of Northern Ireland.

@DownNative
As a matter of fact, as well as Donegal, some parts of counties Mayo, Sligo, Leitrim, Cavan, Monaghan, Louth and possibly Roscommon have more northerly latitudes than the southern parts of NI. If you're in Monaghan town in ROI, for example, NI is to your east and west as well as north.

The two states, even. Just because they’re close to each other doesn’t mean that Michigan and Illinois must share a time zone. Just because you can look from parts of Ireland into parts of England doesn’t automatically mean people should understand that automatically they share a time zone. And realistically what harm can possibly come of it? If those people (the ones you know who don’t know they share a time zone) go for a holiday to Belfast for whatever reason, I’m sure they will manage to get along without a time difference. Unless you live in Belfast and have relatives living in England who continually call you at odd hours because they think there’s a time difference, it will literally never ever have any impact on your life if somebody on another thread thought there might be a time difference.

Exactly @Jourdain11. They are not random places to those who live there. The people who live there know about the time difference. Just as I expect the people of the UK to know if there are any time differences in their locality/country.🤷‍♀️

Oh, so you’ve conducted a poll of all the residents of Midwest America now, as well as every British citizen? Christ, you must be busy.

But despite your faux shock, nonone has actually said that the UK has 2 different time Zones.

I really don’t know why you’re lying about this not being a TAAT when we’ve all seen your posts on another thread 😂 that and the fact you won’t answer who you mean really does show you’re talking utter bollocks

Either that or you have genuinely started a thread and picked a totally random thing to ponder about British people.

I might start a thread saying “Oh my god, kick my face and call me Susie, some people think dogs can’t look up” even though literally no one has suggested this (little nod to the SOTD there )

Well “your way” is being a sick to someone who YOU misunderstood. And it IS a TAAT. It doesn’t have to be about the other thread title, just the content and conversation.

The fact you refuse to answer so you mean, and then even pretend you don’t mean anyone at all - is that wording it your way too?

I might start a thread saying...

You're welcome to start any thread you like @TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl. Even one inspired by this one I won't take it personally. I will read it and move on to another or I will comment.

Of course you can. My response ‘It's astounding to think that people in mainland Britain may think NI is in a different time zone’ was to one PP. I wasn’t ridiculing people, I thought that PP’s post was ridiculous. I didn’t even touch what he/she haughtily said here: ‘You would be better off going 'Low Contact' to use the MN phrase, and either becoming and independent state or re-joining the rest of the Island of Ireland.’
Why ever didn’t we think of those options?!

I do still think it’s astounding that people in mainland Britain may think NI is in a different time zone.
The USA is huge, of course you could walk across a border and be in a different state or time zone, and the divides, even in a clustered area like Western Europe have to be demarcated according to some logic, i.e. borders, but look at this image of Britain and Ireland. It must be such a familiar image to so many people, seen in homes on a daily basis. It’s such a tight cluster, and even if you know nothing about NI/ROI you must get the concept that we’re somehow physically ‘separate’ to the rest of Europe, and have some geographical commonality. I’ve met Americans who didn’t have a blind notion of where Ireland was, never mind in relation to Britain, it seemed really abstract to them, but I don’t know how any one from any of these islands could think the geographical divide is that significant.

If that PP was me, I didn't insist that those people must be stupid. Ignorant perhaps. But of course we all know stupidity and ignorance aren't the same thing. I think it's bad craic to sneer at people, stupid or not, I think it's perfectly reasonable to sometimes be astounded by ignorance.

It actually isn't valid to lump three different viewpoints in as one by any reasonable and logical basis. For example, Don't Know does axiomatically imply disinterest or don't care.

If your assertion were true, Ashcroft would have stated precisely what you assert. But he did AND does not. The fact remains you offer no evidence to support your argument and, where some is offered, you simply misrepresent the data to suit yourself.

Very curious how you don't even apply the same flawed argument in relation to Scotland. The percentages and, thus, the viewpoints of the English population is highly similar to that in relation to Northern Ireland.

It helps highlight your flawed logic.

Final word to Ashcroft AGAIN:

"....only a handful say that if either voted to leave the UK they would be happy to see them go. Of those who say it is for Scotland and Northern Ireland to decide, a large minority nevertheless say they would be sorry to see them leave if they chose do so. This means that, overall, most English voters would rather keep the union together if it were up to them – though they recognise it isn’t up to them."

Ashcroft is an experienced pollster who knows how to correctly draw conclusions from his own poll.

You, on the other hand, simply aren't experienced nor know how to correctly draw conclusions from polls.

On the contrary, it shows you've misunderstood the statement itself.

You would be entirely correct if I'd stated "all of Northern Ireland is more northerly than the Republic of Ireland".

The word "all" is there just once and that statement would obviously be incorrect since there's no qualification in it. In this statement, you'd need just ONE part of the ROI to be more northerly.

Hence why I structured it as "all of Northern Ireland is more northerly than ALL of the Republic of Ireland".

The two statements look similar, but they do not have the same meaning whatsoever.

Correction: For example, Don't Know does NOT axiomatically imply disinterest or don't care.

that’s not what “all” means.

all of Northern Ireland is more northerly than MOST of ROI, yes. But for ALL of NI to be more northerly than ALL of ROI, then NO PART of ROI can be more northerly than ANY of NI - which is not the case.

All (pun intended) of this!

YABVVU

Why:

1. You worded the OP to be misleading - when you were talking about time zones, you made it unclear enough that more than half the people in the thread think you are talking about what countries and divisions are part of the UK or Ireland.

2. I am pretty sure you don't actually understand how time zones work, or at least you didn't when you started the thread.

3. When people learn geography at school, learning what time zones the each country has isn't usually something that's emphasized or often even touched on.