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Well fuck me pink and call me Rosie. AIBU?

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TooBigForMyBoots · 15/04/2023 22:44

Do you know that Belfast and NI are in the British Isles? Are you aware that some British people claim they do not know that NI is in the same timezone as the rest of the UK?

YABU = You can't expect British people to know the history and geography of their country.
YANBU = Of course British people know this stuff. Anyone who says otherwise is having you on.

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Pseudonamed · 15/04/2023 23:33

UCUNoMore · 15/04/2023 23:32

all of Ireland was in a different time zone to Britain for about 40 years up until 1916, after GMT was standardised. Dublin Time (which covered the island) was a thing. So it’s not quite so ludicrous as the OP is making out.

Ye thin over 100 years after the fact people might have a mild idea.

Jourdain11 · 15/04/2023 23:33

JenniferBarkley · 15/04/2023 23:31

Well it's not great like.

But why?

Bearonthestair · 15/04/2023 23:34

Does not surprise me in the slightest. As an Irish person, the amount of ignorant, jaw droppingly stupid things said to me about Ireland by British people astounds me.

VeniVidiWeeWee · 15/04/2023 23:34

TheOriginalEmu · 15/04/2023 23:29

why would it be in a different time zone?

Not the same time zone, but Portugal, amongst others, don't follow the general spring forward fall back daylight saving regime.

Kanaloa · 15/04/2023 23:34

Some people don’t know thing. That’s surely not a shock to you? Some people have different levels of intelligence, have had less educational opportunities, are easily confused, have all their energies taken up with other things. Realistically them being unaware of geography/common knowledge is completely harmless.

I try not to laugh at/mock/sneer at people who make mistakes or don’t know or understand things, because what I don’t know would fill a library of books. All those people who misunderstood or didn’t know the time zones of a country they may never have visited will know things you don’t know.

CremeEggQueen · 15/04/2023 23:35

Pseudonamed · 15/04/2023 23:27

I think I am more surprised by the wording 'Belfast and NI' like they are different places.

Lots of Ireland bashing threads this week I have to say. Jealousy cos we got Biden think LOL

Yeah, I thought Belfast and northern Ireland was a weird way of phrasing it too, but ignored for simplicity's sake 😁
I mean, Belfast is in NI, they're not separate

Kanaloa · 15/04/2023 23:35

Don’t know things, even! Some people don’t know some things. Nobody knows everything.

BaBaBiscuit · 15/04/2023 23:35

Jourdain11 · 15/04/2023 23:30

I still don't get why this is so shocking and horrifying! Like I said, I didn't know. Is it really so appalling?

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To be honest, I do think it's shocking. However, you don't know what you don't know so there are probably loads of things I don't know that should be obvious to me. I'd have thought it's pretty basic knowledge though that everyone living in this region should know.

DownNative · 15/04/2023 23:35

Jourdain11 · 15/04/2023 23:25

I didn't know. Why is that so shocking?

Because you should have learnt about time zones across the world at school. There's 24 time zones, so massive countries have multiple time zones, e.g. USA.

But the UK is pretty small in global terns so logic would say we've just the one time zone.

Well fuck me pink and call me Rosie.  AIBU?
Pseudonamed · 15/04/2023 23:36

CremeEggQueen · 15/04/2023 23:32

Haven't voted, as your options are loaded and come across biased, we're all different people so bit unfair to lump as all as one.
I'm British, yes, I'm aware that Belfast and Northern Ireland are part of the British Isles whereas Southern Ireland parts such as Dublin are a separate country in their own right.
Not everyone will though.
Also don't know anyone who thinks that Ireland has a different time zone to the UK, but no doubt someone somewhere will!

Belfast is in NI. No need to say one plus other. There are 6 of our counties that are NI. Dublin and the 'other' counties consist of 26 counties in total. We refer to ourselves just as Ireland. We only use 'the south' to people who do not understand that Ireland and Northern Ireland are technically different countries on the one island. We do not refer to England as Southern Scotland so not a fan of being called Southern Ireland but hey whatever makes it easier.

Wednesday6 · 15/04/2023 23:36

What is NI?

Grimeduster · 15/04/2023 23:37

For some reason I can never remember the difference between Great Britain, United Kingdom and the British Isles. I've even just googled it and the information has already fell out of my head.

mainsfed · 15/04/2023 23:37

UCUNoMore · 15/04/2023 23:32

all of Ireland was in a different time zone to Britain for about 40 years up until 1916, after GMT was standardised. Dublin Time (which covered the island) was a thing. So it’s not quite so ludicrous as the OP is making out.

France, Holland, Luxembourg and Belgium were all originally in the same time zone as the UK, but Germany changed their time to match the German zone (one hour ahead of the UK) during their occupation of those countries during the war. Meanwhile, Spanish dictator Franco changed the time to an hour ahead in Spain too. (end quote)

CremeEggQueen · 15/04/2023 23:37

Kanaloa · 15/04/2023 23:34

Some people don’t know thing. That’s surely not a shock to you? Some people have different levels of intelligence, have had less educational opportunities, are easily confused, have all their energies taken up with other things. Realistically them being unaware of geography/common knowledge is completely harmless.

I try not to laugh at/mock/sneer at people who make mistakes or don’t know or understand things, because what I don’t know would fill a library of books. All those people who misunderstood or didn’t know the time zones of a country they may never have visited will know things you don’t know.

Well said
Hate posts that are sneery or look down on others for not knowing something.
Can put people off asking something, and I'd much rather people asked questions than stayed ignorant as they were afraid of looking daft 😢

Pseudonamed · 15/04/2023 23:38

Wednesday6 · 15/04/2023 23:36

What is NI?

Northern Ireland.

CremeEggQueen · 15/04/2023 23:38

Wednesday6 · 15/04/2023 23:36

What is NI?

Northern Ireland

Jourdain11 · 15/04/2023 23:38

DownNative · 15/04/2023 23:35

Because you should have learnt about time zones across the world at school. There's 24 time zones, so massive countries have multiple time zones, e.g. USA.

But the UK is pretty small in global terns so logic would say we've just the one time zone.

No, I never did learn about time zones at school. But even if I had done, I don't think I'd remember the details of every single one of them...

VeniVidiWeeWee · 15/04/2023 23:40

Pseudonamed · 15/04/2023 23:36

Belfast is in NI. No need to say one plus other. There are 6 of our counties that are NI. Dublin and the 'other' counties consist of 26 counties in total. We refer to ourselves just as Ireland. We only use 'the south' to people who do not understand that Ireland and Northern Ireland are technically different countries on the one island. We do not refer to England as Southern Scotland so not a fan of being called Southern Ireland but hey whatever makes it easier.

Why not say The Republic of Ireland and avoid any misunderstanding?

Guardian12 · 15/04/2023 23:41

Aylestone · 15/04/2023 23:07

This may come as a shock op, but not all UK Citizens know all of the facts about the UK. I hate the implication that someone is stupid because someone else has decided that their lack of knowledge on a subject is indicative of their intelligence. It’s attitudes like yours that contributes to the ‘dumbing down’ of society. People are afraid to ask simple questions because of answers like ‘omg I can’t believe that there are actual people who don’t know that Belfast is in the British isles’. People only know stuff that they have been taught. Humans don’t always know the answers to questions they haven’t been asked, and there are questions that people don’t even think to ask themselves.

It’s really the bare minimum to know basic details about the country you live in! It’s not like the UK is even big.

DownNative · 15/04/2023 23:42

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 15/04/2023 23:05

It doesn’t help when people smugly say “Ireland isn’t in the UK” when actually people in NI call themselves Irish. DH’s family is from Belfast - not one says “I’m Northern Irish”. They are Irish. And the possessiveness of the ‘Im more Irish than you’ attitude of some people in ROI is a massive bone of contention to them.

I and my whole family in Northern Ireland call ourselves Northern Irish and British, but not Irish. Lived not far from Belfast for at least 150 years, possibly 200 without moving much until modern times. We're Catholic too, if that makes a difference.

But people are correct in saying "Ireland isn't in the UK" as that is what the Republic of Ireland officially calls itself. Only Northern Ireland is in the UK.

Pseudonamed · 15/04/2023 23:42

Because if you knew history at all then you would never misunderstand the fact that it is just Ireland. It is not 'southern' ireland'. Not 'the republic of' and certainly not 'eire'. It is just Ireland. If people learned history or even a bit of basic geography we would not need to refer to it as anything other than Ireland.

WagnersFourthSymphony · 15/04/2023 23:42

Do non-Unionists still refer to "the British Isles"?
Although "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" is the name of the political union, there is resistance against calling the mainland "Britain". Many Scottish and Welsh people prefer to call it "this island" and many non-English generally talk of "these islands" or "the west European archipelago" rather than use the dread words "Britain" or "British".

Mind you, it's difficult to think of the proper term for the big island in this archipelago when you're not actually on it and can't refer to it as "this island". I've never been able to get a sensible answer to that question.

mainsfed · 15/04/2023 23:44

Pseudonamed · 15/04/2023 23:42

Because if you knew history at all then you would never misunderstand the fact that it is just Ireland. It is not 'southern' ireland'. Not 'the republic of' and certainly not 'eire'. It is just Ireland. If people learned history or even a bit of basic geography we would not need to refer to it as anything other than Ireland.

But I have met Belfastians who corrected me to say Southern Ireland.

Whose view wins?

TooBigForMyBoots · 15/04/2023 23:45

VeniVidiWeeWee · 15/04/2023 23:40

Why not say The Republic of Ireland and avoid any misunderstanding?

Because I'm not talking about The Republic of Ireland. I'm talking about Belfast. A city in the UK.

Do UK citizens really believe that NI has a different time zone to the rest of the UK? That is not a good thing.

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Jourdain11 · 15/04/2023 23:45

Guardian12 · 15/04/2023 23:41

It’s really the bare minimum to know basic details about the country you live in! It’s not like the UK is even big.

What counts as a basic detail though? I imagine I don't know half of this essential information, at least...