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Do you think you're neurotypical?

255 replies

Whyx · 11/04/2023 21:06

Quick search didn't show this had been asked before which surprised me.

A lot of neurodivergent (ND) stuff on social media these days. Got me thinking I am definitely ND maybe ADHD. I always think "surely everyone is like that though???" I struggle to comprehend how anyone could think of do things differently to me.

So Mumsnet - do you think you are neurotypical or neurodiverse?

Yabu - neurotypical

Yanbu - neurodiverse

OP posts:
neverendinglauaundry · 12/04/2023 22:11

I think it depends where you want to put the line on each spectrum of traits.

DD is dyspraxic and dyslexic (diagnosed) and possibly has some ASD and ADHD traits. She has a few ticks and stuff but is fine as long as she can use a computer to write.

I recognise that I have some dyspraxic traits and I can't spell very well but I play to my strengths and wouldn't really feel like it was fair if I got adjustments for it as I don't think it's that serious and I can set up systems that work for me. So I think I'm sort of neurotypical.

Lolaandbehold · 12/04/2023 22:12

drawingmaps · 12/04/2023 20:30

I think partly because disabled people/ parents of disabled people are more likely to come online for support in navigating the world. Also maybe your friend group just isn't very diverse in this way. Although having said that, all my friends are also disabled in some way, so it's partly birds of a feather flock together, and partly that neurotypical able-bodied people tend not to want to hang out with us.

I think you're right, my circle is as "undiverse" as they come now I think of it, but that's not in any way a conscious decision on my part.
Birds of a feather and all that but it's not the case that I wouldn't want to hang out with a disabled person. I just don't know any. I don't know anyone IRL who's on mumsnet either. I'm just here for AIBU :-)

XenoBitch · 12/04/2023 22:12

I have a diagnosis of BPD, which I understand to be classed as ND nowadays, although it seems a lot of things are (epilepsy?).

LizzyLovesTea · 12/04/2023 22:27

I’m going to declare myself NT but a very wise autistic friend thinks it’s clear I’m autistic, and she’s incredibly insightful and knowledgeable so I have a very open mind about it… (The things she picks up about me are definitely valid.) The more ADHD/autistic type traits in me have got a lot more pronounced since getting long Covid- I wonder if it makes me too tired to mask or if it has just changed my behaviour or experience differently… Or whether the brain damage (or whatever is actually happening) in Long Covid itself can make our minds pretty divergent from norms of linguistic skill, focus, ability to think and plan…

I think that because it’s only recently been recognised how girls’ autism can look, more women are getting diagnosed as adults because nobody would have looked at them and thought autism 25 years ago or so.

Manicpixidreamgirl · 12/04/2023 22:47

SusanSHelit · 12/04/2023 21:51

I'm ND, diagnosed adhd a few years ago on the NHS so not a 'paid for diagnosis' and not a self diagnosis. It's not just being a bit quirky or ditzy, it's genuinely negatively affected multiple areas of my life from child. From struggling to make friends in primary, grades absolutely tanking from A* to D in secondary (because revising/studying/long form essay type assignments are almost impossible for me). To loosing jobs and romantic relationships, struggling with basics like housework and hygiene etc.

Its only since I was diagnosed and medicated that I've managed to begin getting a grip on my life 4d

@SusanSHelit claiming that NHS diagnoses are better than reputable private diagnoses is incredibly dismissive and unhelpful.

AngeloMysterioso · 12/04/2023 22:52

I expect I’m more than likely on the spectrum somewhere

XenoBitch · 12/04/2023 22:54

Manicpixidreamgirl · 12/04/2023 22:47

@SusanSHelit claiming that NHS diagnoses are better than reputable private diagnoses is incredibly dismissive and unhelpful.

Yep. Private diagnoses are not "paid for". People pay to be seen faster than they would on the NHS. There is not a different diagnostic textbook for NHS, and another for private.

wejammin · 12/04/2023 23:03

I have an autistic son, a daughter with SPD, an autistic sister and my dad is definitely autistic although not diagnosed.
I'm not sure I would meet the criteria for autism but I have misophonia, some social difficulties (I get burnout after an hour or so of socialising), hyperfocus on topics, have very rigid routines for things and have some issues with executive functioning (my time management is appalling and I have literally no sense of direction at all). I'm not sure if that makes me neurodiverse or not.

drawingmaps · 12/04/2023 23:13

Lolaandbehold · 12/04/2023 22:12

I think you're right, my circle is as "undiverse" as they come now I think of it, but that's not in any way a conscious decision on my part.
Birds of a feather and all that but it's not the case that I wouldn't want to hang out with a disabled person. I just don't know any. I don't know anyone IRL who's on mumsnet either. I'm just here for AIBU :-)

Oh yes, I didn't mean to imply you were deliberately avoiding disabled people!
To me it's actually almost incomprehensible to imagine a social circle with no disabled people. It's possible you do know some and they just haven't mentioned it, I suppose

Nimbostratus100 · 12/04/2023 23:16

I have learnt that most people who think about it for a while come to the conclusion that they are ND, and most of them are wrong.

This is one thing that is some staff training in autistic schools teaches you to expect

splilt · 13/04/2023 07:28

@SusanSHelit

I'm ND, diagnosed adhd a few years ago on the NHS so not a 'paid for diagnosis'

You can't pay for a diagnosis. You pay for an assessment. It's the same bloody assessment that you would have on the NHS. You just get seen faster. Do you think all private medicine works this way? Just pay for the diagnosis you want? Does that work with physical disability too? 'Oh hi doc, can you just diagnose me with arthritis and diabetes today please?' Hmm

vinividivinci · 13/04/2023 07:32

I am not autistic. My husband and both my young adult sons are diagnosed with autism. My husband is currently in a psychiatric hospital awaiting a placement to supported accommodation. Autism is not his main 'problem', but mental health issues may occur quite frequently with ASD. My eldest son is in supported living after three years in a residential setting. My youngest son lives with me, and needs quite a low arousal, predictable environment. My husband and sons are not in paid employment, although my sons are working towards this.

I used to think that we were a neurodiverse family, but over the years, I realise that I am probably a lot more neurotypical than the rest of my immediate family. I have to adapt my communication style quite significantly with all my family members. For example, my youngest has little understanding of the pragmatics of conversation. He does not understand turn taking (although we do have a signal to say 'stop talking please'). He is intelligent and has a fantastic ability to absorb facts. His interests are cars, architecture and, more recently, trains. I listen to his recount of the facts and ask questions, but conversation in the NT style is difficult. He asks me what to say in telephone enquiries and on texts.
He stopped attending school at 13 due to profound anxiety, and his social circle does not exist. I am trying to find ways to improve this, but wonder if my distress over the fact that he has no friends arises from my NT perspective of how things should be for a 21 year old.

My eldest son is very quiet, but can engage in social interaction a little better than his brother. He cannot read facial expressions and had prosopagnosia as a child. I think he still has this because he often does not recognise people until they speak. He is extremely vulnerable and, unfortunately, has been the victim of 'mate' crime several times in the pass. He loves cats and this is probably where his vocation will lie.

My husband needs a lot of care at the moment. We have not lived together for eight years because it was just too problematic. However, we are very much married, and I will continue to love and support him, as I will love and support my sons.

There are times when I really long for a chat, for the give and take of NT conversation, for the ability to have a laugh at the absurdity of life. It is not the case that my family members have no sense of humour, they do, and we have fun. However, there are marked differences between my perspective and understanding of the world, and the perspectives and understandings that my closest family members seem to have. It is a problem of double empathy. I do, however, have a neurotypical sister who I am in close contact with, and this helps enormously.

So, I would say I am neurotypical. I fit in well with the NT world. I work, I have no fundamental problems in terms of keeping myself safe and no issues with life skills, I can communicate well and so on. I am probably a little introverted and asocial, and I crave sensory stimulation (certain smells, textures, colours and so on) but nevertheless I am not autistic.

SquidwardBound · 13/04/2023 07:46

splilt · 13/04/2023 07:28

@SusanSHelit

I'm ND, diagnosed adhd a few years ago on the NHS so not a 'paid for diagnosis'

You can't pay for a diagnosis. You pay for an assessment. It's the same bloody assessment that you would have on the NHS. You just get seen faster. Do you think all private medicine works this way? Just pay for the diagnosis you want? Does that work with physical disability too? 'Oh hi doc, can you just diagnose me with arthritis and diabetes today please?' Hmm

You can’t win in this stuff - even being assessed and diagnosed with ADHD isn’t enough. Because you just ‘bought’ a diagnosis. It could only be real if you were lucky enough to have the nhs do it for free.

Never mind that you were diagnosed by a psychiatrist who also works in the NHS. Never mind that the NHS simply won’t refer many people because there isn’t the capacity and it’s much easier to fob a woman off with some pointless antidepressants.

itssquidstella · 13/04/2023 08:15

NT here. I do have some traits (like many NT people, I suspect) that would fit under the umbrella of ASD or ADHD, but they don't add up to anything, if that makes sense.

As a PP wrote, I find it difficult to imagine what it's like to struggle with executive function, even though as a teacher I’ve come across lots of pupils for whom it's a genuine problem.

SquigglePigs · 13/04/2023 08:27

TheGingerTucci · 12/04/2023 18:37

I've been quoted 2k. But that's London prices. But does it help having a diagnosis? I'm too shy to bring it up at work, so don't think I could utilise it. Maybe if I changed jobs?

I think I paid about £1500 and it was done remotely. I have found it's helped me. It's helped me to understand myself and to blame myself less for things I "should" be doing differently or find difficult that I think I "shouldn't"! It's also helped my closest friends and family to understand me a bit better and where I'm coming from sometimes.

It has helped me at work too with a couple of reasonable adjustments that have made my working life a lot less stressful. It's not an easy conversation to have but I've found my manager and company to be very understanding and supportive.

TheGingerTucci · 13/04/2023 08:41

Thank you@SquigglePigs I appreciate your time for getting back to me

Skyliner1 · 13/04/2023 08:50

A paid diagnosis is as others have said the same as an NHS one. You are paying for an assembly the diagnosis. I am waiting for my assessment for ADHD through right to choose but considering paying for one for autism because it will be quicker and because I don't really have the energy to have the conversations with my GP on why I think I need the referral.

I've done a lot of reading and a lot of listening to podcasts and something that comes up is that yes, a lot of adults who pay for an assessment do get a diagnosis but that because it's neurodiverse people who are getting to the point of paying for the assessment. Neurotypical people don't generally wonder if they are autistic and spend months researching it then decide to spend thousands of pounds on an assessment.

Nimbostratus100 · 13/04/2023 08:54

splilt · 13/04/2023 07:28

@SusanSHelit

I'm ND, diagnosed adhd a few years ago on the NHS so not a 'paid for diagnosis'

You can't pay for a diagnosis. You pay for an assessment. It's the same bloody assessment that you would have on the NHS. You just get seen faster. Do you think all private medicine works this way? Just pay for the diagnosis you want? Does that work with physical disability too? 'Oh hi doc, can you just diagnose me with arthritis and diabetes today please?' Hmm

sorry, but a LOT of ND diagnosis are paid for, we see families who simply pay for one assessment after another until they get what they want. Many are from psychologists, not even anyone medically trained

RampantIvy · 13/04/2023 09:00

Gosh that sounds difficult for you @vinividivinci Flowers

splilt · 13/04/2023 09:08

@Nimbostratus100

sorry, but a LOT of ND diagnosis are paid for, we see families who simply pay for one assessment after another until they get what they want. Many are from psychologists, not even anyone medically trained

I don't believe you.

What's your professional capacity here?

People pay for the same assessment given by the NHS, I don't understand why you think any clinician would risk their livelihood by diagnosing against the guidelines? Ok I believe there might be the odd dodgy person out there, but realistically nobody needs to misdiagnose. What would be their end game? The demeans for assessment is massive just now, it's not as of they are struggling for work Confused

Nimbostratus100 · 13/04/2023 09:10

splilt · 13/04/2023 09:08

@Nimbostratus100

sorry, but a LOT of ND diagnosis are paid for, we see families who simply pay for one assessment after another until they get what they want. Many are from psychologists, not even anyone medically trained

I don't believe you.

What's your professional capacity here?

People pay for the same assessment given by the NHS, I don't understand why you think any clinician would risk their livelihood by diagnosing against the guidelines? Ok I believe there might be the odd dodgy person out there, but realistically nobody needs to misdiagnose. What would be their end game? The demeans for assessment is massive just now, it's not as of they are struggling for work Confused

I am a teacher - we see many very dodgy diagnoses, some times when the child has been turned down for a diagnosis repeatedly, and the parents just move on to another assessor until they get what they want

splilt · 13/04/2023 09:13

@Nimbostratus100

I am a teacher - we see many very dodgy diagnoses, some times when the child has been turned down for a diagnosis repeatedly, and the parents just move on to another assessor until they get what they want

So not at all qualified to dismiss other people's assessments.

I don't doubt people will pay and pay. One of my DC wasn't diagnosed until she was 9 (it was NHS btw) but I could have paid for several private assessments over the years prior and not got the diagnosis because the evidence wasn't strong enough. She actually only once went for a private assessment and wasn't diagnosed. A year later NHS has what they needed.

SquidwardBound · 13/04/2023 09:14

Tbh, I think that this crap about ‘paid for’ diagnoses is just outright disability discrimination in action.

if there is a problem with MH professionals unethically giving out fake diagnoses for money, that is a problem for the regulatory bodies to sort.

The fact that the nhs won’t assess people and that families have to cycle through several HCPs before someone is willing to actually take the problems seriously is not evidence that the eventual diagnosis is ‘fake’. It’s evidence that the system fails many people.

SquidwardBound · 13/04/2023 09:16

Why am I in no way surprised that we have a teacher who is so dismissive of diagnoses?

splilt · 13/04/2023 09:17

SquidwardBound · 13/04/2023 09:16

Why am I in no way surprised that we have a teacher who is so dismissive of diagnoses?

Depressing. Isn't it?

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