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To not expect to pay excessive amount as we're family.

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Boop1e · 11/04/2023 14:15

In laws brought themselves a caravan on a haven site a year ago. Decided to spend some pension money on it.
the site fees have renewed and have gone up just like everything else in life.
They don't rent it out and we only use it as family.
Anyway father in law has just charged his own son £75 for 3 nights to use it. He owed me money for ordering him a new tablet and doing him a favour so took the money out of that which I couldn't afford to lose.

Before the season started he mentioned charging £25 a day but nothing else happened and no mention of it again before we went.

He's also charged brother in law £150 to use but they paid upfront.

Am i being unreasonable to feel this is a lot to charge your own children and £10 or so a day would be sufficient. I'm not convinced I spend £25 a day heating and lighting my 3 bed home. They get their passes included with the caravan for 10 people.

Husband won't challenge it because it won't make any difference.

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Kta7 · 11/04/2023 14:55

🙋‍♀️ spotted an apostrophe error in one of the bought/brought pedant posts 😀

Ktime · 11/04/2023 14:55

I think it's reasonable to charge family a fair sum, and £75 does seem fair.

However, I would be interested to know the ways in which you and DH help FIL and if it's FIL's attitude that he wants to be recompensed for everything then I would assess how much you do for him and cut back.

An easy would be to refer him to DH next time he wants you to buy something for him.

Stepbystep100 · 11/04/2023 14:56

Gas, electric and wear and tear at £25 a day sounds fair. They won't have any residential help for electric and gas from the government - it's expensive now.
Maybe they are thinking of selling it if they can't get any help towards the overheads? We don't know much except they were told £25 a day and that's peanuts for a night's stay anywhere

Bet a family camping in a tent would cost that nowadays!

Thebirdsareback · 11/04/2023 14:56

whirlyhead · 11/04/2023 14:44

Lucky you being able to use it. My husbands family own a lovely villa in Spain we’ve never once been allowed to use in 20 years in case we “leave it untidy”.

Buy your own villa then. I wouldn’t want anyone to live in my private house either.

Happyhappyeveryday · 11/04/2023 14:57

Great value. I’d love to stay for £25 a night, family or not. YABU.

Ktime · 11/04/2023 14:58

Kta7 · 11/04/2023 14:55

🙋‍♀️ spotted an apostrophe error in one of the bought/brought pedant posts 😀

Why do they do that? OP's spelling and grammar is otherwise perfect, why don't they just put it down to a typo?

Sheswearsby · 11/04/2023 14:59

It’s really not an excessive amount OP.

Alwayswonderedwhy · 11/04/2023 14:59

Sounds like a bargain to me and it helps them recoup some costs. Just don't go again if you think it'd too expensive.

OhmygodDont · 11/04/2023 15:00

Stepbystep100 · 11/04/2023 14:56

Gas, electric and wear and tear at £25 a day sounds fair. They won't have any residential help for electric and gas from the government - it's expensive now.
Maybe they are thinking of selling it if they can't get any help towards the overheads? We don't know much except they were told £25 a day and that's peanuts for a night's stay anywhere

Bet a family camping in a tent would cost that nowadays!

I can give you a tent price actually no pool, no club house. Basic basic showers like can see the copper pipe with a head attached no temp control just push and get water.

£375 for 10 days. That’s the price all year round.

SheilaFentiman · 11/04/2023 15:00

They may have been told by Haven that they could get £100 (or whatever) a night and decided a quarter of that for family is very fair.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 11/04/2023 15:01

£25 a night is cheap as chips! Snap it up.

Really don't understand why you're complaining.

If you don't want to go there, then don't go there.

Go and spend £300 staying somewhere else instead...

CornishGem1975 · 11/04/2023 15:01

£25 a night is a steal whichever way you look at it. Being family doesn't mean you should get everything handed to you! Don't like it? Don't go.

viques · 11/04/2023 15:03

IamKlaus · 11/04/2023 14:29

But that's not the calculation. They aren't renting it at all, so its not say 300 discounted from 600. It's say 300 added on from ZERO. Nothing, is what they would get if the children didn't use it. So, its all profit.

It’s not profit as such, the pil are using the payment to offset the expenses they have to pay for site maintenance, security, insurance ,utilities, plot rental, activity passes, secure parking etc etc etc. so everyone benefits from a simple arrangement.

we all know what happens when people get things for nothing, they are a lot more sloppy about looking after other peoples belongings, even a token payment like this will remind the OP she is using someone else’s investment.

StrongTea · 11/04/2023 15:06

We have a static, site fees, insurance, rates, gas and electricity, gas check, wear and tear add up to a lot of money. Think that amount is very generous of them.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 11/04/2023 15:06

*Yes, it's cheap - but can I just play devil's advocate here?

The fixed overheads will cost the ILs the same whether everyone uses the caravan or nobody does.*

Well that's not true is it? Unless you think Gad and electric are free

Mari9999 · 11/04/2023 15:06

If you don't like the cost, don't criticize them. Simply find another vacation rental at a better price.

Seemingly, your husband's siblings have no issue with the cost and it does not sound as though your in-laws are trying to make a profit. However, if you are aware of better rates elsewhere, they probably won't feel offended.

mybeautifuloak · 11/04/2023 15:09

IamKlaus · 11/04/2023 14:25

BOUGHT.

Seems pretty shitty to me, but families are weird. Apparently it's ok to profit off your own children for a crappy caravan that you'd be paying for either way.

If the family don't contribute then they may not be able to keep the Caravan as costs have gone up. If the family think it's not right to pay to help cover the costs then don't complain if they sell up.

Felixss · 11/04/2023 15:12

Mari9999 · 11/04/2023 15:06

If you don't like the cost, don't criticize them. Simply find another vacation rental at a better price.

Seemingly, your husband's siblings have no issue with the cost and it does not sound as though your in-laws are trying to make a profit. However, if you are aware of better rates elsewhere, they probably won't feel offended.

That's because one for £25 a night doesn't exist. I'd feel incredibly tight expecting my parents to fund the electric and gas unless they were millionaires.

greenpeppervinigar · 11/04/2023 15:13

Well, it all depends on the way you "do" family, and that will depend on many things, some of which cultural.
I come from a family where when you visit relatives abroad for weeks at a time, no one even lets you know how much things are, let alone pay for anything . The same would apply obviously during their visits to the Uk, albeit with the premise that everything is so expensive here😆.

So in my family paying to use a relative's caravan would be unthinkable, but nothing wrong with it if that's how that family does things. I suppose it would feel off if one person was asked to contribute and another wasn't.

liveforsummer · 11/04/2023 15:13

That's extremely cheap for a haven site in the school holidays. Will just about cover costs. Sounds very fair

AgrathaChristie · 11/04/2023 15:14

I’d happily pay £25 a night just for me. You’re paying that for a couple or with children? It’s a bargain.

viques · 11/04/2023 15:15

allmyliesaretrue · 11/04/2023 14:49

Yes, it's cheap - but can I just play devil's advocate here?

The fixed overheads will cost the ILs the same whether everyone uses the caravan or nobody does.

@allmyliesaretrue

I shall use that argument next time I fancy a long weekend at The Savoy.

Boop1e · 11/04/2023 15:16

KnickerlessParsons · 11/04/2023 14:25

Am i being unreasonable to feel this is a lot to charge your own children and £10 or so a day would be sufficient. I'm not convinced I spend £25 a day heating and lighting my 3 bed home

Well stay at home then, if that's how you feel. Any other holiday would cost you a lot more than the contribution you're being asked for by your in-laws, and there are lots of overhead costs involved in having a caravan on a Haven site.

They aren't short of cash and I'm not sure profiting from your children is right.
we haven't been told about paying until after the event. previously it was mentioned in passing.
I have no problem paying a contribution if asked in advance. 25 a day seems steep. Our kids are older too so most of the entertainment is too old for them too.
we went because kids wanted to go and wasn't any fresh discussion of payment.
I'm aware booking with haven is far more but I'd then choose where I wanted.

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mybeautifuloak · 11/04/2023 15:16

@allmyliesaretrue The fixed overheads will cost the ILs the same whether everyone uses the caravan or nobody does.
But the unfixed costs will increase when someone uses it. Heating, gas/electricity. Wear and tear depreciation.

Boop1e · 11/04/2023 15:18

tescocreditcard · 11/04/2023 14:24

Well he did tell you he was going to charge you £25 a day. I'm assuming he paid for the tablet (less £75) when you came back and didn't show any signs of paying for the caravan!

Or did he deduct the £75 first? In which case - you knew it was costing you £75 and that would have been the time to say you didn't want to pay.

I was never asked to pay for definite in advance or I would have offered something or not gone at all

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