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Or is teaching 6 Yr old about crucixation out of order?

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Whostoblame · 08/04/2023 20:30

I might be over reacting but after multiple nights on the trot sleeping no more than 45-60 mins at a time I'm at the end of my tether. 6 year old goes to a non dom school and we are agnostic/atheist at home. School have been teaching them about Jesus and Easter etc including how Jesus was crucified. I now have a sobbing child every night who can't get the pictures out if her mind (and I'm not surprised!!)and subsequently cant sleep from about midnight, crying. Aibu to complain to school that 6 is way too young to be taught this?!

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TheWelshposter · 09/04/2023 17:45

I completely agree, I'm still angry that schools and churches are allowed to teach children this stuff. And that parents are happy that their children learn it. I was so scared of ending up in hell as a child.

QueenSmartypants · 09/04/2023 17:47

@TeaForMeandThee the crucifixion of Jesus of Nazareth isn't in doubt. Historians agree he existed, was a religious leader/teacher and was crucified. So, no, not all made up stories. What is contested is whether he was the Son of God or not.

OldFan · 09/04/2023 17:49

I was so scared of ending up in hell as a child.

@TheWelshposter Did it possibly make you try and behave better than you otherwise might've done?

' The Beginning of Wisdom is the Fear of God. '

Forgooodnesssakenow · 09/04/2023 17:51

OMG12 · 09/04/2023 17:20

Yep that is certainly an important facet. The development of the west over the past 2000 years has been so interwoven with Christianity it’s vital to understand the perspective of Christianity to understand every aspect of the development of Europe during that time. From Wars, to art, to persecution to the formation of borders to the position of women, the calendar, the law etc etc. even many parts of language have seen its influence.

almost every aspect of it has been shaped by religion for both good and bad. It doesn’t have to be taught as fact but it is so so important for understanding the western way of life that christianity is well understood.

Mostly bad

Everydayshouldbe · 09/04/2023 17:52

Oh good. A thread were we can bash Christians on the most important day of their year.
Looking forward to the similar one for Eid ul Fitr.
Hmm

CottonSock · 09/04/2023 17:52

I take back my response. My 6yo is being taught this at school, but couldn't recall many details.
Her school language is not English so that doesn't help her explain complicated things.
Sometimes kids react how you don't expect. I remember age 6 in school there was a girl who had to be taken out of the tv show we watched (1980s) in lesson. She'd been having awful nightmares about it.

RampantIvy · 09/04/2023 17:54

Everydayshouldbe · 09/04/2023 17:52

Oh good. A thread were we can bash Christians on the most important day of their year.
Looking forward to the similar one for Eid ul Fitr.
Hmm

Unfortunately, many mumsnetters are pretty religiously intolerant, and love to sneer at anyone who believes in God.

JustAnotherManicNameChange · 09/04/2023 18:06

CottonSock · 09/04/2023 17:52

I take back my response. My 6yo is being taught this at school, but couldn't recall many details.
Her school language is not English so that doesn't help her explain complicated things.
Sometimes kids react how you don't expect. I remember age 6 in school there was a girl who had to be taken out of the tv show we watched (1980s) in lesson. She'd been having awful nightmares about it.

This . We had a y3 girl get very upset about the story of the Khalsa sikhs . The were no gory pictures , or movies or demonstrations. She still got upset because the story can be upsetting, even if no one actually dies in that one.

Should that be taken out of the curriculum too? Maybe Sikhism altogether?

Forgooodnesssakenow · 09/04/2023 18:37

JustAnotherManicNameChange · 09/04/2023 18:06

This . We had a y3 girl get very upset about the story of the Khalsa sikhs . The were no gory pictures , or movies or demonstrations. She still got upset because the story can be upsetting, even if no one actually dies in that one.

Should that be taken out of the curriculum too? Maybe Sikhism altogether?

Nope, it just shouldn't be taught to 6 yr olds same as most violent episodes in history like crucifixion and serial killers

OMG12 · 09/04/2023 18:40

Forgooodnesssakenow · 09/04/2023 17:51

Mostly bad

Actually that’s not really true, there’s been good bad and indifferent. But every society has an ideology that governs its views on the world. Sometimes it’s for the benefit and sometimes to the detriment of that society as an whole, sometimes some benefit, sometimes people suffer.. but, nevertheless, to understand a society we need to understand the ideologies that shape its development

TheWelshposter · 09/04/2023 18:40

OldFan · 09/04/2023 17:49

I was so scared of ending up in hell as a child.

@TheWelshposter Did it possibly make you try and behave better than you otherwise might've done?

' The Beginning of Wisdom is the Fear of God. '

Yes it probably did but I don't think that's a good thing....a child changing their behaviour for fear of ending up in hell while their family is in heaven.
I'd rather have my children misbehave slightly than live with the fear of being burnt in a fire.

Luckily I try to be a good person now as an adult just to be a decent person, not so that I get my reward at the pearly gates.

Forgooodnesssakenow · 09/04/2023 18:42

OMG12 · 09/04/2023 18:40

Actually that’s not really true, there’s been good bad and indifferent. But every society has an ideology that governs its views on the world. Sometimes it’s for the benefit and sometimes to the detriment of that society as an whole, sometimes some benefit, sometimes people suffer.. but, nevertheless, to understand a society we need to understand the ideologies that shape its development

Religion and religious differences have started most wars and to the best of knowledge resolved none

Forgooodnesssakenow · 09/04/2023 18:44

OldFan · 09/04/2023 17:49

I was so scared of ending up in hell as a child.

@TheWelshposter Did it possibly make you try and behave better than you otherwise might've done?

' The Beginning of Wisdom is the Fear of God. '

Ah great, always worth traumatising children for a bit of good behaviour. Not to mention lying to the masses for control. Christianity in its truest form

Whostoblame · 09/04/2023 18:50

This thread wasn't made to bash any religion - it's cropped up at Easter time given the nature of the story, nothing I can do about that - I mentioned the fact that we are a non religious household for context only, no she hasn't seen crosses or crucifixes and we don't have any of that chat at home, she hasn't been in a church. I have no issue with religion, any religion, you want to believe then fantastic for you, if my daughter wants to believe then great I'll support it. My issue was the young age of my child and this particular fact of Easter, i feel the utter savagery human beings can inflict upon one another may be best saved for when they are more emotionally mature to handle the conversation and the thought of it. Some agree, some dont, fair enough. I will be having a chat with the school after the holidays as I said to find out what exactly it is they've been shown/told etc. But please don't take this as a "Christian bashing" thread at an important time of year, that was never my intention, my only concern was my child. Thanks to all who've replied

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OMG12 · 09/04/2023 18:51

Forgooodnesssakenow · 09/04/2023 18:42

Religion and religious differences have started most wars and to the best of knowledge resolved none

And religious belief has given people hope and comfort in difficult times. It has been a driver of change and an inhibitor of change.

just like everything else, religion is neither wholly good or wholly bad. To view it only from one of those perspectives is just a reflection on the observer.

ConcordeOoter · 09/04/2023 19:00

I think some of the comments put on public display here on Easter Sunday demonstrate quite some disrespect.

JustAnotherManicNameChange · 09/04/2023 19:01

OldFan · 09/04/2023 17:49

I was so scared of ending up in hell as a child.

@TheWelshposter Did it possibly make you try and behave better than you otherwise might've done?

' The Beginning of Wisdom is the Fear of God. '

Wow. That's some special kind of mental gymnastics right there.

ReadersD1gest · 09/04/2023 19:02

ConcordeOoter · 09/04/2023 19:00

I think some of the comments put on public display here on Easter Sunday demonstrate quite some disrespect.

I agree.

Everydayshouldbe · 09/04/2023 19:14

OP I mentioned criticising Christians on a holy day - just to be clear I was not referring to your OP (I would tell a 6 year old what happened but I would not show a video, for example) but some/many of the posts that followed

Forgooodnesssakenow · 09/04/2023 19:19

OMG12 · 09/04/2023 17:12

I mean this is a valid point. I have never heard anyone having issues like this. Surely in the sort of environment that teaches a redirection as fact would also be teaching about the nature of Jesus and point of him doing the whole dying/resurrection thing to the extent even a 5year old would grasp Jesus (as explained by mainstream Christianity) in this situation is different from Granny.

If not, the failure of the parental explanation of death here is probably the main issue.

Death is final, the person is gone, my 5 yr old will not see them again in their life. Teaching resurrection as fact refutes this fact.

Forgooodnesssakenow · 09/04/2023 19:22

ConcordeOoter · 09/04/2023 19:00

I think some of the comments put on public display here on Easter Sunday demonstrate quite some disrespect.

More disrespect that telling someone who says they were traumatised as a child by religious doctrine that at least it made them behave better? Then glorifying fear of god?

ReadersD1gest · 09/04/2023 19:24

Forgooodnesssakenow · 09/04/2023 19:19

Death is final, the person is gone, my 5 yr old will not see them again in their life. Teaching resurrection as fact refutes this fact.

Nobody is teaching anyone that Granny might rise from the dead. Really, stop tying yourself in knots like this.

nomoremerlot · 09/04/2023 19:25

ConcordeOoter · 09/04/2023 19:00

I think some of the comments put on public display here on Easter Sunday demonstrate quite some disrespect.

👏 agreed

Forgooodnesssakenow · 09/04/2023 19:27

ReadersD1gest · 09/04/2023 19:24

Nobody is teaching anyone that Granny might rise from the dead. Really, stop tying yourself in knots like this.

The reason I know my 5 yr old would ask is partly because I know him and partly because at my mum's funeral the priest, who was batshit crazy in a number of ways, declared that she wasn't really gone and we'd see her again, and my then 7 yr old neice has never forgotten it in a decade, and argues for weeks the priest had said granny was coming back. So yeah, they do declare that death is infact not final

OMG12 · 09/04/2023 19:48

Forgooodnesssakenow · 09/04/2023 19:22

More disrespect that telling someone who says they were traumatised as a child by religious doctrine that at least it made them behave better? Then glorifying fear of god?

You seem incredibly angry about religion, no doubt you have your personal reasons for this, but it really doesn’t serve you well. I’m not a fan of religion, any religion, but it exists and for some it is of great benefit, for others it is a force for harm, for most it is both. To cling to one perspective or the other is only going to lead to imbalance and imbalance always leads to a fall.

What is the truth regarding death? no one knows we only all believe. To think we know otherwise is deluded.

But, at the end of the day, whether we are theists, atheists or agnostics we should all be respectful.

We are capable of creating our own hells and having our own cross to bear which we can only ever escape from by sacrificing our selves and coming down from the cross we have carried and hoisted ourselves upon.

maybe Easter is a good time to consider which of our lower attributes need to be sacrificed for our own greater good and those we love

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