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Euthanasie, dont legalise in UK.

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MrsMarkieParkie · 08/04/2023 00:48

I just read that 8% of deaths in Canada last year happened via euthanasia. This doesnt sit right with me. Also, as described in the article, the protocol seems mostly the same as the US death by lethal injection.
Do we want this in the UK?

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herlightmaterials · 08/04/2023 00:52

We want it but we need to use Canada as a cautionary tale. Their ethics committees seems to care about who they can bump off on the basis that it would be cheaper and they apply moral pressure to people by telling them how much they're costing - unbelievable. I would have thought the ethics was ensuring nobody felt under pressure to choose death, not making a song and dance about wasting resources.

herlightmaterials · 08/04/2023 00:53

But we really do need a way of making it possible for people to not die in agony. We wouldn't put a beloved pet through the suffering we subject ourselves and our family to. It's obscene.

Doingtheboxerbeat · 08/04/2023 00:53

Yes I do absolutely want this. I am looking at a bleak old age and I can't afford the £10,000 to go to Switzerland. I know this sounds grim but life can be for many.

JackiePlace · 08/04/2023 01:02

herlightmaterials · 08/04/2023 00:52

We want it but we need to use Canada as a cautionary tale. Their ethics committees seems to care about who they can bump off on the basis that it would be cheaper and they apply moral pressure to people by telling them how much they're costing - unbelievable. I would have thought the ethics was ensuring nobody felt under pressure to choose death, not making a song and dance about wasting resources.

I don't believe this. I am Canadian with a life limiting illness and have been assessed for MAiD. There was no pressure and no mention of money.

WhyCantYourPartnerDoIt · 08/04/2023 01:14

You’re being unreasonable by not citing your sources.

70isaLimitNotaTarget · 08/04/2023 01:16

Do we want this in the UK?
I'm sure many do.

Will it happen?
Never .

snitzelvoncrumb · 08/04/2023 01:18

You don’t have the right to take that opinion from another person. Your personal views are irrelevant.

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MrsMarkieParkie · 08/04/2023 01:19

Le Monde, article in French

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SueVineer · 08/04/2023 01:22

I’m horrified from what I’ve heard of maid. People have reported being pressured- disabled and mentally il people . They are vulnerable - it isn’t right

SNWannabe · 08/04/2023 01:24

Do you see what people go through when they’re dying here in the Uk? Do you know how many days or weeks or even months it can take? Have you watched a loved one disappear day by day before your eyes? Or have you had your life savings drained through years of Funding care for a loved one?
Death “by injection” would be much like getting a GA and falling asleep- not painful, not scary, controlled and legislated.

Why wouldn’t anyone want to have that option at least???

HermioneWeasley · 08/04/2023 01:26

Canada doesn’t seem to have any safeguards at all for this. Euthanasia with proper safeguards is entirely proper and necessary

oakleaffy · 08/04/2023 01:34

I'd want a peaceful Euthanasia for myself if I became so affected by Dementia {That's the one most people fear} that I couldn't recognise my own son.. and had trauma with it..

A lovely woman locally had Dementia that caused her to rant and rave in a very upsetting manner, as if she was locked into an eternal ''Bad Trip''..That is absolutely awful.
Poor woman no way needed to suffer like that.

However...One needs to give informed consent.

If one is so far gone with dementia..can one do that?

Animals aren't allowed to suffer if they are terminally ill.

A kindly vet can come to the animal's house or field and end their life before symptoms become distressing for the animal.

oakleaffy · 08/04/2023 01:36

HermioneWeasley · 08/04/2023 01:26

Canada doesn’t seem to have any safeguards at all for this. Euthanasia with proper safeguards is entirely proper and necessary

Completely agree...One cannot have greedy relatives forcing euthanasia drugs onto their aged relatives just because the replies want the inheritance!

Nat6999 · 08/04/2023 01:39

We need voluntary euthanasia, I watched my dad die from renal failure & would have done anything to end his suffering. I have multiple chronic health conditions & am nearly in a wheelchair, I don't want ds to have to be responsible for caring for me in the future, he already cares for me sometimes as well as his dad. I want to go when I want & in my own home, not in a hospital.

magicthree · 08/04/2023 01:39

Surely the UK can make its own rules and doesn't have to blindly follow Canada? It's legal where I live (fairly recent) but seems to be working okay.

oakleaffy · 08/04/2023 01:40

Doingtheboxerbeat · 08/04/2023 00:53

Yes I do absolutely want this. I am looking at a bleak old age and I can't afford the £10,000 to go to Switzerland. I know this sounds grim but life can be for many.

£10,000??

Yikes!

When my beloved pet was Euthanised at home, the drug {which is the same as used for humans, most likely} was just £4.
The vet's visit was £60.

£10,000...Someone is making a monstrous profit out of euthanasia.

Req · 08/04/2023 01:45

I work with people with dementia. They all want to live, the people I know. This is clear from the way their survival instincts kick in daily. Before they had dementia, they may well have been horrified at how the condition would develop in themselves and say they wanted to be euthanized at a certain point. But, the person they are now has the right to live, however uncomfortable it may be for other people to experience the manifestations of their symptoms. Euthanasia without a robust process of informed consent is murder. I'm sure no one could argue for that.

I support the rights of people to end their lives if they are capacitous. We need to ensure we are crystal clear on what that means and how it looks in practice.

LightDrizzle · 08/04/2023 01:45

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Felixss · 08/04/2023 01:47

Worked as a HCP for years watching people slowly decline they become immobile lose weight in pain, doubly incontinent, and dysphagia. It can take years as well. I'm not actually scared of dying anymore I'm scared to be in pain and have a really slow decline. I want bodily autonomy and I want mercy , l want a quick death for which we have the ability to do.

If I'm already dying a slow painful death why draw it out ?

MrsTerryPratchett · 08/04/2023 01:50

Canada has a habit of taking really good ideas and fucking them up really badly.

There is no need to follow their example. The UK can have decent ethics around it. Although I wouldn't put the Tories in charge of decent ethics in healthcare.

Noicant · 08/04/2023 01:50

I think Canada are expanding it to include mental illness. I find that a bit concerning. But people should have the right to end their lives in dignity if they wish as lomg as they are carefully screened.

oakleaffy · 08/04/2023 01:51

Req · 08/04/2023 01:45

I work with people with dementia. They all want to live, the people I know. This is clear from the way their survival instincts kick in daily. Before they had dementia, they may well have been horrified at how the condition would develop in themselves and say they wanted to be euthanized at a certain point. But, the person they are now has the right to live, however uncomfortable it may be for other people to experience the manifestations of their symptoms. Euthanasia without a robust process of informed consent is murder. I'm sure no one could argue for that.

I support the rights of people to end their lives if they are capacitous. We need to ensure we are crystal clear on what that means and how it looks in practice.

A friend works with people with Dementia,In a Private nursing home {well regarded locally}..She had to undergo training to work there, and to her utter surprise, loves it.

she says she ''Spends most of the day laughing, with the staff and residents''..

However..the home is extremely expensive.

It clearly has a good level of care, and vets staff thoroughly so residents are assisted properly.

Felixss · 08/04/2023 01:53

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Mentions method of assisted dying.

Harold Shipman fucked everything up in regards to palliative care prescribing . People say it's cruel to leave animals in agony we do it to humans day in day out. It's more the choice is taken away away from us who don't want a long drawn out death.

I'm not scared of death anymore there's worse things being lay in bed stuck in the foetal position limbs fixed , incontinent loss of speech , no interest in food. I'm shocked how long it can take to die with the medical advances but a low quality of life.

It's really sad people are having to pay 10k to travel to a foreign country and do assisted suicide before they feel ready because of the laws.

MrsTerryPratchett · 08/04/2023 01:55

Noicant · 08/04/2023 01:50

I think Canada are expanding it to include mental illness. I find that a bit concerning. But people should have the right to end their lives in dignity if they wish as lomg as they are carefully screened.

A lot of Canadians struggle to find a GP. And even more find it hard to access MH and addiction support. 1/4 of a million people experience homelessness each year.

I have no faith that mentally ill people who are living in poverty won't be 'assisted' to die. Rather than providing decent healthcare.

ScattyHattie · 08/04/2023 01:59

My dogs have always passed in seconds & very peacefully with euthanasia injection so I'd definitely opt for that over a natural death which is often prolonged and would be deemed inhumane for animals. Not sure I'd necessarily say terminal Illness only either as I think it's very individual what they'd deem a poor quality of life rather than necessarily a medical view.

I read an article about leathal injection given prisoners not being like that but it seems mainly as difficult to employ experienced medics and pharma don't really want to be involved when it's executions rather than euthanasia which should be the individuals choice.

Of course there needs to be measures in place to avoid pressure being put on vulnerable people or like with COVID when Do Not Resusitate were added without consent on disabled peoples records. I'd also not like to see it develop into a world where only the wealthy can afford to live a long life and rest having to opt for euthanasia when no longer deemed functional & able to pay your way, given we already live in fairly ableist society.