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To think M&S use of Enola Gay in their current advertisement is just crass in the current climate?

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ArmitageShanked · 07/04/2023 01:23

As above.

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MrsTerryPratchett · 07/04/2023 18:21

Should have said thanks to @PuddlesPityParty

It is possible for me to be a right contrarian regardless of mood.

TheLadyofShalott1 · 07/04/2023 19:20

MrsTerryPratchett · 07/04/2023 18:18

I was not being patronising when I said that MrsT might have had a bad day

TBF I did have a very bad day yesterday. Lawyers bad!

But I stand by my first post. The rest of the thread looks like Swiss cheese from the deletions. Including me being told I wasn't intelligent. I didn't report that BTW because I don't mind a vigorous debate. Even if it was more personal attack than debate. Someone else must have.

Maybe I should have another name on here for threads like this, when I'm feeling grumpy and contrary. I typically try to be nuanced and fair. OP's tone got right up my nose.

@MrsTerryPratchett I am genuinely sorry to hear that you have been having a hard time, and I do hope that things can turn around, and very quickly, regarding the lawyers, and any outcomes regarding them. You have already given so much well thought out, and kind advice since I joined Mumsnet, that you deserve to be treated kindly yourself, if I could, I would send you a real box of chocolates ❤️💐

I think that we could all probably benefit from having two names on here, if any of MNHQ are reading this please consider that - it would be great to sign in to a very short questionnaire asking us whether it is a "grumpy" day, or a "things could be worse" day. Unfortunately, as I am now quite a long way along the "grumpy old woman who has been through her menopause, and has many of the arthritis type aches and pains road, and as I am on my way to being 70 years old, I am not asking for a "things are great day" but maybe the youngsters on here could ask for that 🤣🤣🤣

Definituon of the term "youngster": anyone under the age of 55 .......

AlecTrevelyan006 · 07/04/2023 19:23

EmmaGrundyForPM · 07/04/2023 16:25

Wait...... whaaaat? He formed Atomic Kitten?

<rethinks meaning of 80s cool>

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yeah - in the late 90s when OMD had gone out of fashion he put together a girl band with a view to writing and producing all their songs. The original line-up was Kerry Katona, Liz McClarnon and Hedi Range (who later joined the Sugarbabes and was replaced by Natasha Hamilton. McCluskey gets as much royalties from Whole Again as he does from any OMD songs.

MrsTerryPratchett · 07/04/2023 19:33

That is very kind @TheLadyofShalott1 and I am sure it will be OK. It's just the worrying and thinking about it all the time.

Considering my name maybe MrsVetinari for bad days Grin I could say, "don't let me detain you" a lot.

Clementineorsatsuma · 07/04/2023 19:43

BramblyHedgeMouse · 07/04/2023 01:43

That song has been playing on the radio regularly for 40 years, when it came out the threat of nuclear war was real too.
It’s a bit late to be offended by it imo.

Jeez! The OP is not offended by the song. It's an anti nuclear weapon protest song, which is why OP has quoted "should have stayed at home yesterday"
OP is offended by its use to sell clothes.
I for one agree OP.

magicthree · 07/04/2023 19:59

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 07/04/2023 10:32

I’m part of the ’older’ generation and wouldn’t wince in the slightest at any songs being used in any adverts - largely because I’m not a massive pansy arse.

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Well said! I also am part of the 'older generation' and have never winced at any song in an advert. Neither am a I massive pansy arse, and in fact despair at all this modern hand wringing over every little thing.

Wince away @MarieKlepto - but leave the rest of us out of it.

TheLadyofShalott1 · 07/04/2023 21:01

MrsTerryPratchett · 07/04/2023 19:33

That is very kind @TheLadyofShalott1 and I am sure it will be OK. It's just the worrying and thinking about it all the time.

Considering my name maybe MrsVetinari for bad days Grin I could say, "don't let me detain you" a lot.

I love yours MrsT/MrsV, and having given it some thought, I think that maybe TheHagofTermagant would probably suit me best......🧙

MrsTerryPratchett · 07/04/2023 21:27
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PuddlesPityParty · 08/04/2023 21:45

TheLadyofShalott1 · 07/04/2023 17:26

@PuddlesPityParty Hopefully we are all "nuanced" people. MrsTerryPratchett's posts quite often don't align with my own thoughts, beliefs etc but I usually resect her views and the way she puts them. At times reading her posts actually make me rethink my own thoughts, amd sometimes I will even align mine with hers after giving it some thought. However today, I was surprised by her first reply to the OP - I am not up to date on most of the posts since I typed mine - and so I agreed with the OP when she made a similar comment about Mrs T's post.

I was not being patronising when I said that MrsT might have had a bad day, because I meant it seriously. The intention to be patronising wasn't there, so it can't have happened. Which incidently can make the difference between a verdict of murder or manslaughter! If anyone could be accused of patronising MrsT, surely it is you, as she is very capable of standing up for herself, and does not need you to do it for her? But I expect that you also didn't have the intention of being patronising, so that hasn't happened either has it?

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HAH the intention wasn’t there so can’t have happened is a such a “sorry you feel that way” response. Can’t say I’m surprised.

You were patronising whenever the intention was there or not. Grow up. I wasn’t sticking up for her, idk her and I don’t care, I was calling you out for being patronising. Which you were. I do hope that’s cleared everything up for you dear 🥰

oh and you can’t say this reply was patronising because the intent wasn’t there xxxxxxxx

TheLadyofShalott1 · 09/04/2023 01:19

That's fine @PuddlesPityParty. You are wrong about me, but I guess you shouldn't let little things like you being wrong get in the way of whatever your narrative is (that may have been meant to be slightly sarcastic, sorry!). However, I will try one more time to explain myself, and if you still don't believe me then that's your choice, and I won't bother to try again.

I really did think that Mrs TerryPratchett's post was unusual for her, and as the OP had thought so too - which was why I said what I did in the first place - I mentioned to the OP a reason why I felt that MrsTerryPratchett might have reacted the way she did, which was genuinely that I thought she may have had a bad day. But of course you can think whatever you want to.

When I heard that MrsTerryPratchatt had actually had a rather horrible day, I felt very sorry for her. Which was not at all in a patronising way, but probably because I can empathise with her over having both, bad days and problems with lawyers! So although I don't really know anything about her, from all her previous posts I have grown to respect her, and as much as you can on an anonymous forum, to like her as well.

I do actually feel sorry for you Puddles, but I don't know any way of explaining why without you thinking I am being patronising again, and I hate it when people are patronising, as I don't find it funny or clever, I just think it is rather purile, so I hope that I am better than that. However, I will try explain why anyway:

My concern for you is that you don't seem - for some reason or another - to believe that someone can actually be genuine with their interactions with others/strangers? I would hate to never feel able to take a stranger at face value, it just seems such a negative way to live. Maybe you have had too many people break your trust, so that you now have great difficulty trusting anyone, but I truly hope that that is not the case. 💐

Ineedaduvetday · 09/04/2023 06:01

Craftycorvid · 07/04/2023 07:17

I suspect some 12-year-old marketing exec’ went ‘ooh, jaunty tune….eighties vibe, our target demographic of mid-life ladies will like that….’ with narry a thought to context. See also the ad’ for cruises (forget which company) using ‘What is Love’ as a catchy tune and featuring a very loved-up couple on their anniversary cruise - I keep supplying the next line of the song in my head ‘baby don’t hurt me no more’ and imagining grim scenarios where she gets him drunk and shoves him overboard 😆

Or their way of slipping in an anti war song under the radar so they are making a political statement about Ukraine without being seen to do so. If they get found out, the 12-year-old marketing exec will get thrown under the bus!

PuddlesPityParty · 09/04/2023 09:16

TheLadyofShalott1 · 09/04/2023 01:19

That's fine @PuddlesPityParty. You are wrong about me, but I guess you shouldn't let little things like you being wrong get in the way of whatever your narrative is (that may have been meant to be slightly sarcastic, sorry!). However, I will try one more time to explain myself, and if you still don't believe me then that's your choice, and I won't bother to try again.

I really did think that Mrs TerryPratchett's post was unusual for her, and as the OP had thought so too - which was why I said what I did in the first place - I mentioned to the OP a reason why I felt that MrsTerryPratchett might have reacted the way she did, which was genuinely that I thought she may have had a bad day. But of course you can think whatever you want to.

When I heard that MrsTerryPratchatt had actually had a rather horrible day, I felt very sorry for her. Which was not at all in a patronising way, but probably because I can empathise with her over having both, bad days and problems with lawyers! So although I don't really know anything about her, from all her previous posts I have grown to respect her, and as much as you can on an anonymous forum, to like her as well.

I do actually feel sorry for you Puddles, but I don't know any way of explaining why without you thinking I am being patronising again, and I hate it when people are patronising, as I don't find it funny or clever, I just think it is rather purile, so I hope that I am better than that. However, I will try explain why anyway:

My concern for you is that you don't seem - for some reason or another - to believe that someone can actually be genuine with their interactions with others/strangers? I would hate to never feel able to take a stranger at face value, it just seems such a negative way to live. Maybe you have had too many people break your trust, so that you now have great difficulty trusting anyone, but I truly hope that that is not the case. 💐

You of course can have been genuine, and you have explained yourself - I am not saying you were not being genuine. What i am saying is, it did come across as patronising. You cannot say oh just because I didn’t mean it to be it wasn’t. It’s the same notion of seriously upsetting someone but saying, oh but I didn’t mean to upset them so I didn’t. My point being, even if you did not mean it in such a way it still read as being patronising. I think you need to accept that to be honest rather than just constantly deflecting and hiding behind “but I didn’t MEAN it to be”

Thanks so much for the concern. Don’t feel sorry for me, really strange assumptions you’ve jumped to there to be honest 😂 I can take you at face value with what you’re saying, but it still doesn’t mean your message wasn’t airing a tone of snottiness to it. Lovely that I can see you’ve made up, so there’s not much point keep trying to justify yourself to me. I’m a stranger on the internet, why care so much about what I think 😊

TheJames · 13/04/2023 14:29

As it’s actually an anti-war song, I don’t think it’s crass.

I’d certainly say it’s an unusual choice, but then again didn’t M&S also use The Stranglers’ Golden Brown to advertise a foodstuff? (Unless there is now a St. Michael brand of heroin!)

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ArmitageShanked · 13/04/2023 17:42

TheJames · 13/04/2023 14:29

As it’s actually an anti-war song, I don’t think it’s crass.

I’d certainly say it’s an unusual choice, but then again didn’t M&S also use The Stranglers’ Golden Brown to advertise a foodstuff? (Unless there is now a St. Michael brand of heroin!)

Mmm this is just not any old smack it's extra special.... 🤣

This has escalated, haven't even caught up.

But I was having a shit day too, so was probably on the defensive (offensive?).

Turned out I was getting quite poorly, been in bed for days. Must have been that M&S special offer 🤔

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ArmitageShanked · 13/04/2023 17:45

TheJames · 13/04/2023 14:29

As it’s actually an anti-war song, I don’t think it’s crass.

I’d certainly say it’s an unusual choice, but then again didn’t M&S also use The Stranglers’ Golden Brown to advertise a foodstuff? (Unless there is now a St. Michael brand of heroin!)

It would be weird if it pro A-bomb. That certainly never occurred to me.

Re Golden Brown, we were kids when that came out. My brother made it all about his poo. It's never left me.

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SinnerBoy · 14/04/2023 09:18

Golden Brown was originally by Dave Brubeck, in the 60s...

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ArmitageShanked · 14/04/2023 15:26

SinnerBoy · 14/04/2023 09:18

Golden Brown was originally by Dave Brubeck, in the 60s...

Thank you. I do like some unknown trivia.

Golden Brown like Armitages pants - thank you brother!!

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