AIBU - Transgender 'athletes'

[HappyHippo1234]

To start off - I have no issue with trans people at all. The only issue I have is transgender females (male to female) competing in women sports.

Yes, they may have been taking hormones and they have lost some muscle and gained some fat. But, they have stronger bones and bigger spines, hands, feet, lungs and hearts. Basically trans females have an advantage over biological females.

What I absolutely HATE about the situation, it the trans athletes attitude, it honestly disgusts me. Did they never take biology as teenagers or learn about puberty?
For them to sit there with their wins and say that they have no advantage just p*sses me off. Are they stupid or ignorant? There's no way they don't know they have an advantage. Do they not realise they are taking wins away from girls and woman who have spent their whole lives training for a sport only for it to be taken away from someone who was a mediocre male.

Look at Lia Thomas, she was somewhere in the 400-500th best college male swimmer or something like that. She is now trans and BAM she is number 1 and winning everything.

It just annoys me to no end. Especially the trans woman who you can tell that they KNOW they have a major advantage and are cheating the system and then sit there with a SMUG GRIN on their faces. I mean every Caitlyn Jenner said it's wrong.

Sorry for the rant. My DD15 has been upset all week as on the weekend another girl beat all the girls by a huge stretch in her cross country meet (her team is usually 1st but were bumped to 2nd). At first everyone thought this girl was great, until one mom heard the group the girl was with discussing the results and how it was great for the team that this girl came out as trans and was boosting their results etc! Fair to say that news travelled quickly and there were MANY parents complaining to officials. But surprise surprise nothing was done about it. So at the award giving ceremony everyone waited as everything up to 1st place was given out and as soon as they got to the 1st team, I would say 95% of people walked away. It felt harsh but necessary!
(Also the girl was 16 and had only recently transitioned from what we could gather and when you actually looked at her you could tell she had gone through at least some portion of male puberty). Again nothing against the girl just don't think she could compete.

And to get around all these discrimination lawsuits, I think they should change the categories! Have an XX category and an XY category, that why there is no debate and no 'discrimination' as you can't identify as XY if you are XX! (And then also have an open category where trans, non-binary etc. can compete).

SORRY THAT WAS SO LONG. NOW FOR THE VOTE:

YABU - Trans (XX) women are woman and should be allowed to compete with XY women, even though they scientifically have an advantage.

YANBU - They will always have an advantage and so should not compete with XY women.

Cheaters never prosper.....except when they're transwomen.

What country are you in @HappyHippo1234 ?

Not agreeing with transwomen using female spaces, taking part in female sport, and taking female financial winnings, sponsorships and scholarships, doesn't equate to "hating" them. This false claim no longer scares people into staying silent. We are allowed to want to feel safe from penis, and to want to compete fairly in sport.

"Cis" is a slur term.

No, it's not "unfair" they "can't compete in their chosen sport".

Second post has it in a nutshell.

MEN competing in women's sports are CHEATERS.

Piss off back to your own category.

I’d make more categories.. in some sports you allready have weight categories.
It is difficult to make sports fair, some people are just born with traits that are an advantage. Like tall basketballers. I don’t know, maybe there are teams for short people who want to play basketball?

In 1949 in the Netherlands we had this athlete, a runner, who won all the prizes in the womens’ categorie. It turned out she had DSD and had 1/4 XY and 3/4 XX chromosomes. At that time her medals were taking from her. Should we test all athletes on such things and put them in an extra category?

I wish there was a test for “malintent” like you only want to compete with women because you are a mediocre sportsman and you want to win.

Do you mean more categories in sport? Or in life? How do we decide who goes in which? Won't some of the categories just have like 5 athletes competing so it won't be comparable to the main categories.

Transwomen need to compete in the male category with all the other males. If this means they need to drop down a few levels or stick to social sport, so what, that’s exactly what everyone else undergoing performance-reducing medical treatment does.

Seeing it’s just about a love of the sport, and not winning, it shouldn’t be a problem, right?

Yes its unfair and potentially could lead to women losing their place in sport. There needs to be a mixed category or it needs to be based on size/weight rather than gender.

Two things:

1. DSDs are not the same as any of the trans stuff. This is akin to bringing up air travel in a discussion about bus lanes. Trans people do not have a disorder of sexual development.
2. Yes, physical differences can be important in sport. But the fact that some people are taller or have bigger feet doesn’t mean that single sex sport competitions are not important.

The only issue I have is transgender females (male to female) competing in women sports

YANBU, but YABU for sports being the only issue you have as it's one that affects you directly.

Are you not concerned about violent males in women's prisons, rape shelters, bathrooms etc.

While I absolutely agree with you op about biological males in women's sport, in the event you spoke about, it sounds like a 16 year old child was publicly humiliated by a large group of parents. I think that's pretty shocking.

I am not a cis woman. Stop using that phrase. It is offensive. I am a woman. I do not require a preface

Said 16 year old was brazen enough to compete in a girls competition where he knew he didn’t belong. He needs to learn that cheaters won’t be celebrated and he’s more than old enough to learn that lesson at 16.

I am not an anti trans person at all, I do believe some are born into the wrong body. But there are certain aspects which I feel are very, very wrong indeed and this is one of them.
At school, males and females always competed separately and so did clubs. Girls and boys schools never competed against each other either. The reasons were obvious, the boys at a certain age had more strength than the girls.
Has biology changed nowadays?
It's very unfair and soul destroying for female athletes, probably to a point, for some, that they won't bother anymore!

Yes I'm afraid that's what stood out to me. Neither myself or my dd would have walked away - and no, that doesn't mean I don't value women's sports or think my dd should be submissive to males in every aspect of her life.

100% the OP didn't happen though tbh.

They should piss off out of women's sports I think the tide is finally turning and not a day too soon. This madness needs to end.

-@Changeau so you’d have clapped and cheered for a cheater? Why? If he’s old enough to cheat, he’s old enough to take the consequences. He knew he didn’t belong there but decided to run anyway.

But these are kids and your daughter just seems to be upset that they didn't win like they normally do, and I think it's a good life lesson for her that she won't always win and sometimes life's unfair

No it's not a good life lesson, unless you think it's good to teach children to cheat to win? Because that's exactly what happened.

I'd have walked out too. I don't need to clap for a cheater.

I wouldn't have cheered no, I don't ever cheer. I'd have clapped probably. Dd and I would have talked about it in the car going home and agreed it isn't totally fair. But it's a purely hypothetical situation anyway.

It's not good to teach children to win, but it's good to teach them that other people might.

It seems unfair that trans women cannot compete in their chosen sport that they may have dedicated their lives to

Does it?

Reminds me of when my teenage daughter had to stop playing football because there were so many boys identifying as girls in the other teams she was getting injured week after week. That was pretty unfair too.

In my DDs sport, its mixed until U11, then splits at Secondary school age into boys and girls. After this age, they are banned from playing together, due to the safety aspect. They can train alongside each other, but can't even play a practice game together.
The sport is one that was recently blasted for being a firm "no" on transwomen playing on women's teams by the world federation and the UK has also said it isn't safe.

I don't particularly care how people want to dress, what they call themselves etc. I do think that you cant always ignore biology.

I agree with you. The other thing I really take issue with is when they take up limited spaces designed for women eg they are the woman on a conference panel, or they are the womens rep for a student Union, or take a place on an internship that is designed to encourage women in industries and fields that are traditionally male dominated. Because they’ve had all the advantages of growing up male, and never been told they can’t do those things or faced barriers and stereotypes. Also, they’re just not representative of the majority of women.

Other than that, not bothered.

Is a 16 year old a child?