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The neighbours are going to hate us

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Potentialneighboursfromhell · 05/04/2023 14:42

I've just signed for the keys for a flat for me and my DC, it's on the first floor of a small block. There are 8 or 10 flats in total.

I wasn't in a position to hang about hoping something on a ground level came up.

I have 3 DC one of which has autism and adhd.

I came to the new property today to drop off a few bits ahead of the big move next week. The kids were excited, running around.

A downstairs neighbour came up to see if everything was OK and what all the noise was (it was the kids running around - this being the first time they had seen the place and they were excited)

I explained and apologised, the neighbour was fine but I got a sinking feeling as soon as I closed the door. My children are going to drive that poor man and his family mad. DS especially. He shouts, screams, bangs - due to his disability. It can't be controlled not for want of trying. Lord knows it drives me round the bend too.

I've been treading on egg shells the rest of the time we've been here. Telling the kids to "shh" and be quiet, take your shoes off so they don't hear you walking about, lower your voices, don't do this don't do that.

It's going to be hell for everybody. Kids included.

I've made a mistake haven't I? What the hell am I going to do now 😔

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OhMyCherriePie · 06/05/2023 20:37

I don’t know what new you want people to say? That’s not already been said. Different people have different tolerance to noise. I’ve only had one noise complaint living in my flat despite living hear for 8 years and having various neighbours only one complained.

Potentialneighboursfromhell · 06/05/2023 20:41

OhMyCherriePie · 06/05/2023 20:37

I don’t know what new you want people to say? That’s not already been said. Different people have different tolerance to noise. I’ve only had one noise complaint living in my flat despite living hear for 8 years and having various neighbours only one complained.

I'm actually wondering whether I have grounds to complain myself as its starting to feel like harassment.

Much like you said, I've already said everything that can be said to them. I've apologised, explained, made adaptations to try and keep all noise to a minimum. Apologised again. I have the kids out of the flat all day on weekend days. I can't actually do anything else. It's absolutely pointless them keep coming up as I can only continue to do what I've already been doing. Disabled people have to live somewhere.

I'm just wanting somewhere to vent I guess because I'm upset.

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OhmygodDont · 06/05/2023 20:51

I’m not sure complaining about genuine noise is harassment tbh.

I get that it’s hard but it’s hard for all of you not just you. Most people are told to go and complain about these things. Start a log with times and dates and what not. Councils ask that you have spoken to them first.

Just like you are currently living in edge for every meltdown so are they. You can at least see the triggers and the beginning, to them they are maybe sat eating dinner when a sudden outburst of noise appears above their heads with no warning. So they sit always waiting for the next outburst just as you sit always wondering about the next knock.

BadNomad · 06/05/2023 20:51

You want to complain about the people complaining about the noise being caused by your household?

I know it's not nice, but they have every right to complain. Your child being autistic explains the noise, but that doesn't make the noise any more bearable. And you're not being fair on your children. They're children. They need the freedom to be children. Trying to keep them silent all day is not right. The reality is, this flat is just not going to work for you.

Finding somewhere more suitable for your family needs to be a priority. If you're adamant you can't move, then you're just going to have to let your children make noise and accept that your neighbours are going to be constantly at your door. There isn't a way for everyone to be happy.

Scaryshepherd · 06/05/2023 21:02

@Potentialneighboursfromhell have you had a look to see if you can have some help from the discretionary housing payment to help with the rent shortfall?
I don’t know anything about how you qualify but it may be worth checking.

Truestorypeeps · 06/05/2023 21:16

I'd ignore the buzzer or disconnect it. No point in keep repeating yourself. It's not like you are deliberately being noisy, you are trying to control the noise as best as you can. If you do answer the door just be frank and honest, I'm not leaving, this is the best I can do, you can get used to it or leave, I'm sorry, but nothing more I can do or say.

Going back to when we used to live in an apartment, we got new upstairs neighbours in and they didn't have a considerate bone in their body. I can't stand banging and crashing and listening to people walk around in shoes all day long, they weren't going to move, so we had two choices, get used to it, or move.

OhMyCherriePie · 06/05/2023 21:35

Potentialneighboursfromhell · 06/05/2023 20:41

I'm actually wondering whether I have grounds to complain myself as its starting to feel like harassment.

Much like you said, I've already said everything that can be said to them. I've apologised, explained, made adaptations to try and keep all noise to a minimum. Apologised again. I have the kids out of the flat all day on weekend days. I can't actually do anything else. It's absolutely pointless them keep coming up as I can only continue to do what I've already been doing. Disabled people have to live somewhere.

I'm just wanting somewhere to vent I guess because I'm upset.

Complain to who? No you can't complain about someone complaining about you 😂 I think your options are ignore them don't even answer the door to them or move not sure what other advice people can give as its going round in circles now

Bimbom · 06/05/2023 21:44

I would disconnect the buzzer if you can. You've apologised, you've explained...what do they think they are going to achieve by continually coming to your door? Do they actually think you DO have ways of stopping the meltdowns but you're choosing not to?!

I understand that it's difficult for them being below noise but it's not noise you can easily control. So they could complain to the council, or the landlord, or they could move. But there is literally no point them constantly complaining to you about it, so I would ignore from now on. You and your child have a right to a home and noise disturbance is part and parcel of living in flats.

Ffsmakeitstop · 06/05/2023 22:05

I'm sorry you're having to deal with this. There is no easy answer you have been as considerate as you can possibly be. As your son is in bed before 8 pm your neighbours will just have to suck it up.

Potentialneighboursfromhell · 06/05/2023 22:30

I completely understand it'll be bloody annoying living below a family esp a child with ASD, I've been treading on eggshells since moving in and have done so much to try to mitigate all noise coming from the flat. You've all seen my posts. I was and still am fretting about it. I don't even flush the toilet if I get up for a wee in the night incase they complain about that.

I feel as though they're losing some of the moral high ground now. You cannot police what noise your neighbours make at 7pm at night. If it was 11pm I'd completely get it but not 7pm.

I've brought my children's bedtimes forward. I've spent what money I had left on rugs. I've got rid of toys (that actually help keep DS calm) that make any noise on the floor. I opted not to have any of my DD's friends round on her birthday as I didn't want it on my conscience thet there'd be more children milling about in here than usual. I have my television volume so low after 7pm that I can barely hear it myself.

It's completely unreasonable to put this amount of pressure on somebody. I don't have parties, do drink or drugs and get rowdy, have loud visitors (or any visitors actually)

I hear a ton of noise from the upstairs neighbours who are loud AF when they come home late at night, pissed by the sounds of it. I would never in a million years go and make all of these complaints to them, especially not at 7pm!

I've written her a letter and I'm going to post it through the door tomorrow. It's a long and fluffy way of saying what PP has said above, I'm doing what I can so its a waste of time coming to my door. She's welcome to complain to the property managers and my landlady but not me.

I'm so stressed I feel physically ill.

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IhearyouClemFandango · 06/05/2023 22:40

Potentialneighboursfromhell · 06/05/2023 22:30

I completely understand it'll be bloody annoying living below a family esp a child with ASD, I've been treading on eggshells since moving in and have done so much to try to mitigate all noise coming from the flat. You've all seen my posts. I was and still am fretting about it. I don't even flush the toilet if I get up for a wee in the night incase they complain about that.

I feel as though they're losing some of the moral high ground now. You cannot police what noise your neighbours make at 7pm at night. If it was 11pm I'd completely get it but not 7pm.

I've brought my children's bedtimes forward. I've spent what money I had left on rugs. I've got rid of toys (that actually help keep DS calm) that make any noise on the floor. I opted not to have any of my DD's friends round on her birthday as I didn't want it on my conscience thet there'd be more children milling about in here than usual. I have my television volume so low after 7pm that I can barely hear it myself.

It's completely unreasonable to put this amount of pressure on somebody. I don't have parties, do drink or drugs and get rowdy, have loud visitors (or any visitors actually)

I hear a ton of noise from the upstairs neighbours who are loud AF when they come home late at night, pissed by the sounds of it. I would never in a million years go and make all of these complaints to them, especially not at 7pm!

I've written her a letter and I'm going to post it through the door tomorrow. It's a long and fluffy way of saying what PP has said above, I'm doing what I can so its a waste of time coming to my door. She's welcome to complain to the property managers and my landlady but not me.

I'm so stressed I feel physically ill.

You’re not wrong.

I hope it settles for you, you and your kids deserve it too.

FairAcre · 06/05/2023 22:43

I think you need to start fighting back a bit OP. When they knock be firm and matter of fact. ‘I’m sorry that you feel this way but my children are in bed at 7 and I think it is unreasonable to expect us to be quiet before that. Go ahead and report us if you think I’m being unreasonable but I am starting to think this is harassment’. It is unreasonable to expect you to creep around and not flush the loo at night. Grow a thick skin and ignore them for you own sanity. You are not being unreasonable (despite what others say) and if they complained it would not be taken seriously unless it was during unsociable hours.

FairAcre · 06/05/2023 22:44

Make it clear you are staying put. If they are that bothered they can move.

bluewanda · 06/05/2023 22:56

Yorkyyorkyork · 05/04/2023 16:16

You might want to have a little self awareness about your attitude before you alienate you and your children from the neighbours.

Checkity check yourself before you wreck yourself 😊

Are you Ned Flanders?! 😂

Scalessayeek · 06/05/2023 23:03

I would send a letter, apologetic of course, outlining previous discussions re your situation and steps you are taking. Explain that you are doing your best and are feeling harassed and will take it further if it continues. Of course they have a right to peaceful enjoyment of their home, as do you.

I would also not answer the door in the evenings if I thought it was them if I’m honest.

tensmum1964 · 06/05/2023 23:16

FairAcre · 06/05/2023 22:43

I think you need to start fighting back a bit OP. When they knock be firm and matter of fact. ‘I’m sorry that you feel this way but my children are in bed at 7 and I think it is unreasonable to expect us to be quiet before that. Go ahead and report us if you think I’m being unreasonable but I am starting to think this is harassment’. It is unreasonable to expect you to creep around and not flush the loo at night. Grow a thick skin and ignore them for you own sanity. You are not being unreasonable (despite what others say) and if they complained it would not be taken seriously unless it was during unsociable hours.

I agree with this. Enough us enough OP. Stop with the guilt and feeling stressed. You have no choice but to live in that flat and are doing your best. Infact you are doing too much to try to appease this woman. Start fighting back, give her the tel number for environmental health or whoever it is that she can complain to, tell her to call, talk to whoever she likes but to not send her husband to your door again as this is becoming harassment. No one is going to evict you based on your autistic child having the occasional meltdown. Write to your local MP, Council etc and tell them the situation and that you are doing your best and ask for their help. Maybe if downstairs neighbour does complain it will do you a favour in that it will highlight how important it is for you and your children to have a move.

Potentialneighboursfromhell · 06/05/2023 23:17

They were extremely persistent this evening. Apparently he had been knocking at my door which I didn't hear (not because of noise in the flat before anybody suggests that, it was completely quiet by the time he came, but because I have a long hallway and two doors between my living room and front door) so then resorted to going outside and pressing my buzzer.

I got a distinct impression that the man doesn't actually care he's just being sent to do her complaining for her.

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Confusion101 · 06/05/2023 23:35

OP I have only read your replies and a few comments around them and have no idea why you are getting such a hard time.

Do you have one of this spy holes to see who is knocking? I would stop answering the door to these people. You have explained your situation, you are doing all you can. At some stage you are going to have to relax a little and start living in your new home. You can't live on edge like this forever afraid any little obscure noise will send them up complaining. Meltdowns are hard enough for you without the added stress of knowing the downstairs neighbours will be huffing and puffing... They know your situation, they know what you are doing to help, fuck it!

Unless it is an extreme meltdown outside of the "curfew" they have set for you the you really want to apologise for, don't engage with them. You are doing your best as is!

Potentialneighboursfromhell · 06/05/2023 23:37

Letter to neighbour below..

Hi

With regards to your recent complaint about noise on or before 7pm on 06/05 - I do apologise if noise from our flat is frustrating for you, as I've already said I will do all I can to keep noise to a minimum.

You can rest assured that when there is noise in my flat I'm already trying to stop it. I'm practically living on eggshells waiting for your next complaint after your first one not even 24 hours after we'd moved in and was still in the process of moving in.

I am sympathetic. It must be incredibly frustrating living below three small children especially one with special needs, but noise is part and parcel of communal living.

Since moving in I have spent a sizable sum on rugs to put down in every room to try and limit the sound of walking around / the children running because the floors down are laminate. As that clearly isn't helping I'm going to save up and install thick carpets.

I have brought the children's bed times forward. I opted not to have visitors for my daughters birthday because I knew the noise of even more children running around would be annoying for you.

I have gotten rid of toys that the kids loved before we even moved in because I knew they would be inconsiderate to keep. My sons miniature indoor trampoline for example and his balance board which were actually pretty important to him for meeting his sensory needs and regulating his emotions. I have no doubt that my getting rid of those things has only destabilised him further and will be contributing to how unsettled he is at the moment.

I have my television volume so low I can barely hear it after 8pm so as not to disturb you.

If I need to get out of bed to use the toilet during the night I'm worried about whether opening and closing doors is going to lead to another complaint.

There are laws in place that define a maximum acceptable amount of noise during 'night hours' which are between 11pm and 7am - I have already sought advice on this - and aside the first 24 hrs moving in when my children's beds and mattresses were delivered late by the delivery company and I was moving boxes in the bedroom at 10.30 ish there has never been excessive late night noise in here.

I don't play music, I don't drink alcohol or do drugs, I don't have droves of people in and out late at night causing a disturbance. I am not an inconsiderate neighbour. The walls and floors are thin and I can hear everything in my neighbours flats too. I've heard you come and go, i can hear when you're talking on the phone or to your partner, when your son is playing. That's communal living. It is what it is.

I will do my best to keep noise at the lowest possible volume from 7pm onwards (I have already brought my children's bedtimes forward for that reason alone) but as I explained my son is severely autistic and I cannot always preempt every meltdown. The bank holidays and school strikes have unsettled him and he doesn't cope well with a change of his routine. The past week or so has been difficult for him with all the disruption to his routine, plus moving into a new place which is stressful for everybody.

If you can hear the banging you must also be able to hear me trying to get them to be quiet, or playing referee when the kids set each other off. Quite frankly it is exhausting.

There are going to be times where my ASD son bangs and throws, my toddler will drop or drag things across the floor, the kids will squabble and have tantrums and cry - whilst it must sound incredibly annoying above your ceiling it's the norm for families with multiple young children. Little ones are not known for their ability to keep their noise down. I'm trying my best.

Your partner has seen my son coming home on the special needs bus and I'm sure he's relayed to you the type of behaviour that I deal with on a daily basis. It's tough, being made more so by now having the additional complication of having to placate neighbours who, I'm sure you won't mind me saying, have a very low tolerance for noise.

I lived in my previous property for 6 years and not once during that time did I have any noise complaints or any bad feeling among the neighbours. Neighbours were understanding about my sons additional needs. I was understanding about their noise.

Me and my youngest have been woken up by people coming in and out of the building late at night, being loud in the hallways, the smell of cannabis flooding my flat. I hear banging often. It doesn't occur to me to go and knock on doors. Living communally you have to adhere to a degree of live and let live and unless somebody is being deliberately antisocial IE loud music, parties, excessive and continuous noise during the night - you cannot be putting this pressure on people.

I've just been diagnosed with a serious and life threatening condition and i'm due to have surgery. My stress levels are through the roof, largely due to the fact I've felt as though I have to tread on egg shells in my own home since day 1 of living here. I have never felt so uncomfortable living anywhere as I do here. It's not the best impression on either side of the fence.

All that said and done, I will do my best to mitigate noise wherever possible. If you hear noise from my kids you can guarantee I'm already trying to get them to be quiet, and if you can hear noise from me then that's exactly what I'm trying to do.

Please, stop knocking on my door and asking your partner to press my buzzer to complain. You are putting me under considerable stress at a very difficult time and I'm sure it isn't your intention but this is beginning to feel like harassment and will be treat as much if it continues.

Kind regards
M
Number 8

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HundredMilesAnHour · 06/05/2023 23:45

Your letter is just going to make things worse. Is that what you want to happen?

Potentialneighboursfromhell · 06/05/2023 23:48

HundredMilesAnHour · 06/05/2023 23:45

Your letter is just going to make things worse. Is that what you want to happen?

What do you think?

I want to be left alone.

How else, short of moving which is categorically not an option, do you suppose I achieve that?

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Potentialneighboursfromhell · 06/05/2023 23:50

X posts

I don't have a spy hole unfortunately, although they'd get around that by going outside and pressing the buzzer like this evening :/

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SugarNspices · 06/05/2023 23:55

Don't answer the door to them knock off your buzzer in the evening. If it's someone important trying to reach you they will call or text. Ignore and avoid them now the best you can you can't do anything more than what you are doing short term. That letter may help if they are reasonable probably not if they aren't. Either way you said you are doing your best there is no point them constantly knocking. Just ignore them the best you can now. No more answering doors and chuck away silly notes. Just do your best and ignore them.

Confusion101 · 06/05/2023 23:58

I think the letter might work if it is as you say and one partner doesn't seem as bothered as the other partner. They might be able to reason with the other partner to back off a bit. To be honest I think your letter is very rational and explains everything very clearly! I'm so sorry you are going through all of this. 💕

Zampa · 06/05/2023 23:58

OP - you have my sympathy and please don't think you're behaving inappropriately. However, I would take out the accusatory elements of your letter, as, whilst possibly deserved, it could just wind up your neighbours more.

For example, I'd take out the last paragraph and exclude sentences like "neighbours who, I'm sure you won't mind me saying, have a very low tolerance for noise" and "you cannot be putting this pressure on people".

Don't compromise yourself or your children's happiness any more than you have already.