Grooming of children aged 10-12 actually on Dutch TV

[thepox]

I don't know how old this clip is, but this is utterly insane.

How is this allowed? Didn't grooming used to be covert?

Totally agree with you OP. It is wrong and wholly inappropriate. However, those of us who object will immediately be branded as prudish, non-progressive conservatives. It’s awful.

Ironic that you want to protect your own eyes but are happy for children to watch.

Jeepers. I agree. Primary aged kids! Isn’t this when they’re playing with dolls and toy cars? Way too young to process something like this.

Why the hell not? They're going to turn into one sooner or later.

One may ask what sort of adult WANTS to get naked on national TV. I can believe in cultures where nudity is normal (it's not entirely normal in The Netherlands, but there are definitely spas that are nude - not for kids under 12 though) there would be some who think it's just normal. But WHO wants to get naked in front of kids and force them to look at their naked body, while having the kids' reactions filmed?!

If any adult got naked and forced a child to look at their body, it would be seen as abuse. But when you add cameras it's all "natural".

If the idea is to show kids that there are bodies that don't look like porn models (which I'm supportive of) it's surely easy enough to make a film about it? It's not necessary to have a bunch of kids in the studio? What is the benefit to the children filmed of being live in the studio - and all other kids aren't there anyway!

And that's before we get to normalising healthy breast and penis amputation,

So glad to be british then.

I taught my children to treat their bodies and others bodies with dignity privacy and respect. If that's prudish then fine by me.

Not really. I have no issue with seeing nakedness, and I'm not bothered about my dc seeing nakedness either. I don't think there is anything inherently offensive about the human body.

The OP didn't explain what the link was, though, and she implied instead that it was about young children being "groomed". I have no wish to watch something in which young children are being groomed and I certainly wouldn't have wanted my dc to watch that either. As it turned out, that description was misleading but I wasn't to know that at the time.

People remove healthy body parts all the time for aesthetic reasons! I've had cosmetic surgery myself for purely aesthetic reasons but no suggests my body is shameful.

Well done?

People remove healthy body parts all the time? For aesthetic reasons? Which body parts?
I know some people might choose to alter their bodies surgically, but something like breast surgery or liposuction is not the same as removing actual body parts. Am I missing something?

I am not surprised by this at all. The Dutch allow stoners on their streets and they sell women in windows, why wouldn't they show this to their children? Teaching them early that it's only a commodity you can purchase in a window on your way home after a pint.

Makes me glad I live in England.

This clip was posted a week ago as well … i don’t know what you want to achieve with posting again in Aibu. You didn’t like the responses the first time?

The tv program is a few years old. It is part of a series. You pick only one aspect and then get all worked up about it. Nakedness is nothing to be ashamed of!

This wouldn't be shown on UK TV which confirms the cultural differences between The Netherlands and the UK. Normally on mumsnet there is much made of the need to respect the practices of other cultures but this is being perceived as somehow different. It isn't grooming, seeing a naked person even if altered by surgery cannot be grooming. I enjoy going to nude beaches , my body is not typically beautiful, I am fat but my body represents a more typical one than those shown in the porn which we know most children are exposed to now by early teens. I think viewing the type of porn of today is much more damaging to children than seeing people standing with no clothes on.

Wouldn’t it? Channel 4 are showing it.

This form of mass child abuse is now rife in western societies. And if you speak up, you’ll be called far right. People are being conditioned to accept this kind of depraved thing.

So from what I understand of that clip this specific part was about trans-gender people openly talking positively about the feelings for their body. It also seems there may also be other sections where those who don’t identify as Transgender show and talk about there bodies (I assume equally as positive)

Maybe the audience should be a 2 or so years older but I would have really appreciated this when I was a teen to see people feel happy and open about their bodies, answers my questions and demistify stuff.

No offence to the lovely naked people in the clip but not one of them looked like typical porn star and that was brilliant. They had beautiful varied body shapes and sizes and seemed really just there for body positivity. I hope that the kids remember that positivity in the future if they have a day where they think they’re fat or their ears stick out or their knees are the wrong shape.

I can’t believe people are defending this shit. This is not a fuck spa or swimming pool, this is getting 10-12 year old children for a TV SHOW, and have them sit there and watch whilst adults get naked in front of them, specifically for them. And then this is filmed and broadcast for other adults to watch as entertainment.

Its fucking gross exploitation of children for adult entertainment. Shame on all the adults here defending it.

It’s grooming, it’s adults getting naked SPECIFICALLY to show underage, unrelated children for adult entertainment. It is in no way comparable to a spa.

Yeah, if only we started selling trafficked women in shop windows for men to purchase and abuse, we would solve teenage pregnancies too 🙄

What healthy body parts do ppl have removed all the time for cosmetic reasons?

I‘ve also been wondering about that teen pregnancies argument.
Is it really the lack of mixed sex saunas and nudist beaches that’s causing them?
Brits might be more reserved than Germans or Swedes when it comes to nakedness, but it’s not like young people/ young women specifically are widely encouraged to cover up and hide their bodies.
How would that argument apply to cultures where people don’t just not go to sauna together, but where modest clothing and covering up is highly encouraged or even mandatory?

I‘m not even British, but that’s exactly how I‘ve always felt (and I‘ve lived in countries with a much more open approach to nakedness).

Bumps on their nose. Teeth. The flap of skin behind their ears to stop them sticking out. Skin on their neck during facelifts. Parts of their labia. Under eye bags, hooded eyes, the rear patch of hair and add it to the front. Buccal fat, fat from various places (through liposuction, which is not done on obese people). Skin tags. Warts (not unhealthy or causing issue, just don't look nice).

Men can get off on this.

In Japan (our home country), nudity with same sex strangers isn't taboo, in an onsen situation. Bathing together at a young age in a family bath is also not taboo. Viewing naked strange men as a young woman is most definately wrong, taboo, and no, no, no.

@Oigetoffmylawn

Getting skin tags removed is not the sane as major surgery to have your breasts or penis chopped off though is it?

Not comparable in the slightest.

So you think it's okay to slag off British culture