To think Gen Z is difficult to manage at work?

[donniedarko89]

I have noticed younger people tend to be more cynical and argumentative, with less work boundaries/respect for hierarchies (which is not necessarily a bad thing, but can come across as presumption/arrogance). This makes it more difficult to manage them at work imo.

Have you noticed any similar behaviours?

If they want to be true professionals with senior roles and big salaries then they need to stop complaining about doing extra work or overtime. Because people in those senior roles do what's needed to get the job done a lot of the time. It's just what you have to do.

my daughter is 17. She’s had 3 part time/Saturday jobs since she was 15. She’s been treated like crap in each job. I think it works both ways .

Before changing my career path I lead a team of 21 largest team in my department within it I had a mix of silent generation,boomers,gen x, millennial and gen z

All came with their issues I worked my way up the ranks and had 16 years being a leader. In that time only after 14 years did I have to progress someone out of the job due to performance and that was an older gen x to me (I'm youngest gen x in range) manage a older millennial on sickness after their previous millennial bosses hadn't dealt with their sickness for 5 years.

Been accused of bullying an older gen x because I gave them a verbal warning for misconduct in the office, this was thrown out by hr 4 times but took it toll on me and was akin to bullying from them for me doing my job.

But I have seen and had gen Z refuse to do the work and push boundaries and not show the same work ethic my parents instilled in me and expect more financial reimbursement for less, I have seen less resilience but this is not all of them I have also seen a high number willing to learn willing to push themselves with healthy boundaries, every generation has good every generation has bad and sometimes all it takes is the right leadership.

Thank you so much! You have saved me a Google 😃

While I admire Gen Z for maintaining their boundaries when it comes to work/ life balance, taking sick days and MH days the consequence of this is that their colleagues have to pick up the slack. These are the people they scoff at for doing overtime and not taking lunch breaks or time off when sick. Someone has to do the work.

That’s absolutely fine, but don’t expect people in roles which are not much above the living wage to put extra work in for nothing on a daily basis either. If that is needed then that suggests that you don’t have enough staff.

lol the ones I work with have one goal Self preservation . I think they are very savvy and clued on and this can be such a great thing in life but equally life is about compromise and communication - they will get far but maybe at some cost to others or themself

That’s absolutely fine, but don’t expect people in roles which are not much above the living wage to put extra work in for nothing on a daily basis either. If that is needed then that suggests that you don’t have enough staff.

so true - so maybe their attitude is reflective of this . We have senior staff who have given their life to work and get nothing but poxy certificates . I am not sure if should do minimal too as the pay off not reflective even the pension …..im sure there is a middle ground and that’s where I would like to sit in life now 🤷🏻‍♀️

He's probs a 'Xenial' like my sister who, was born first week of '81.

I was out for lunch with some former workmates yesterday. One of them has a daughter who will graduate this summer, she's currently 20. She's at a London university, did an internship at Goldman Sachs and starts as an investment banker this summer on £70K. At 21.

I refuse to hire anyone under 40 and will actively look for ex-military people. Never had and issues with anyone hired following these rules.

This came about due to nightmare hire which nearly cost me my career.

My point was if these individuals reach management or exec levels they won't be able to clock on and clock off at certain times and expect all commitments to still be met. It's not about numbers of staff for operational roles.

Senior salaried roles just don't work like that. I'm sure there are exceptions, but generally the expectation is you flex as needed to respond to new situations and events - a merger, a HR issue, an incident, a project delay etc. There is some give and take involved which is reflected in the salary and the perks.

But this is in your world. It will change as more Zeds appear in the work place.

Those are the old ways of doing things. They don’t seem to want to operate like that. And it is an employees market at the moment.

*l refuse to hire anyone under 40 and will actively look for ex-military people. Never had and issues with anyone hired following these rules.

This came about due to nightmare hire which nearly cost me my career*

Nothing like a bit of reverse ageism? Is it even legal? As for ex-military🤨no thanks.

In relation to ex-military it probs depends what the job is.

Wouldn’t work for me though.

I don't care who I work with as long as they come to work to do the job they're paid to do, and not to make excuses as to why they can't do their job. If you don't want to work, go on the dole, don't come to work and make things difficult for your employer and colleagues.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow
But how else do organisations reach their goals if managers and leaders don't pitch in and flex their needs and wants to get things done? How do they remain competitive and afloat otherwise?

I'm a millennial. I am speaking as someone who has been through the learning curve that organisations don't revolve around my wants and needs.

If you've passion for your job and sector then doing what's needed comes more easily. It is important that each generation finds a job they like, or at least find some satisfaction from, rather than resenting it and doing bare minimum just coz.

Isn’t Prince Harry ex military? 😂

I don’t know how it will change. But you can’t force them, only sack them. And it’s an employees market.

l guess they’ll mature. But I hope they see the culture of long hours and presenteeism and evil sickness policy procedures off for ever.

Do you work for a local authority?

The one I work with doesn't like staying beyond 4pm even though she signed a 9am to 5pm contract.......

I am Gen X, quite late Gen X and the internet was still a long way off for the average person when I left school. It wasn’t even a thing when I left university!

I am Gen X, quite late Gen X and the internet was still a long way off for the average person when I left school. It wasn’t even a thing when I left university!

Same.

For example for Boomers it will be the industrial unrest of the 70s

l was born right at the end of the baby boom and l hardly remember any of this. The defining things for me were the miners strike and living under Thatcher. And the start of MTV and Indie music.

You might have missed the irony.