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Drug users don’t give any thought to who’s behind their next spliff

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StLevanBlackcaps · 03/04/2023 16:43

I’m sick of how common smoking weed has become - you literally smell it on every street and it’s seen as no big deal to participate despite it being illegal - lots of people seem to think it’s no different to having a glass of wine and the police couldn’t give a damn.

Yet behind the scenes you’ve got scum like Thomas Cashman and the gangs who run county lines praying on vulnerable kids and funding the sort of lifestyles that many people seem to aspire to - you only have to look at Cashman’s gf with her Botox and Range Rover and all the other proceeds of his disgusting ‘career’ choice.

AIBU to think drugs are drugs and if you choose to use them you’re as bad as the arseholes who supply them?

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Quveas · 03/04/2023 19:16

Where the hell do you live where you can smell drugs on every street?

I'm not remotely in favour of drug abuse. Including the legal drugs like alcohol. The issue is not the drugs though. Its the criminalising of them. Alcohol is as damaging, but solid on every street corner. However you don't control abuse by criminalising drugs

Karwomannghia · 03/04/2023 19:19

But you don’t control abuse by legalising it either. Alcohol abuse is a massive problem.

Howtostart · 03/04/2023 19:21

I work on a county lines team..

My opinion . Legalise all drugs.
I have yet to meet anyone who plans to take them who says to themselves.. actually I won't as they are illegal. ..

Those that take them will take them. Legality or not doesn't factor.. legalise them and take the power of them. Ring contraband away ..

Our tiny police station has 14 officers working on this .. salaries between 25k-50k .. multiply that across the country and look at the cost of prohibiting something idiots will do anyway ..

If it were legal would you indulge ? Especially if it comes with the health warnings of fags and alcohol.. I know I wouldn't.. don't want to .. the legal aspect doesn't come into it ..

Alcohol causes FAR more damage to society than drugs. Domestic violence, illness, family disruption , police time ... yet it's legal.. would I go to the supermarket and buy 2 g of coke to consume because it's legal ? No I wouldn't anymore than I would buy a litre of vodka to consume !

Think of the money the Uk would save . The amount of police , border patrol, etc .. that could be dedicated to actual crimes against the person .. police free to deal with burglaries.. no more kids used to smuggle drugs in their backpacks.. would shit county lines down in one fell swoop..

Prohibition doesn't work. (Just look at the USA in the 1920s for justification of my premise) It just creates a black market that then has to be policed . At huge cost .

RuddyLaura · 03/04/2023 20:42

Have to say I completely agree with you @Howtostart . I do also think a lot of cannabis induced psychosis/paranoia in those predisposed and otherwise, must be related to the strength/lack of regulation.

Paranoia/fear/anxiety also fuelled by the fact that is is illegal!

areyousittingontheremote · 03/04/2023 20:46

RuddyLaura · 03/04/2023 20:42

Have to say I completely agree with you @Howtostart . I do also think a lot of cannabis induced psychosis/paranoia in those predisposed and otherwise, must be related to the strength/lack of regulation.

Paranoia/fear/anxiety also fuelled by the fact that is is illegal!

It's being laced with other things. I think it's something to do with fertilisation.
So it's not cannabis per se I don't think. It was "skunk" that caused all the bother in London when it was introduced, it's genetically modified then there are the things growers are spraying.

Does Amsterdam see these issues?

gamerchick · 03/04/2023 20:51

Newusernameaug · 03/04/2023 17:23

Weed actually only smells so strong when it’s combined with cigarettes, on its own it doesn’t really smell and goes very quickly.

My friends all home grown it and it’s grown with the intention of healing, so don’t judge associate everyone with hard core dealers, I know many people who home grow and think everyone should have the right to grown their own plants!

Bullshit. You can smell a bag of weed on someone without any tobacco in sight. I have to spray where someone has sat with weed on them at work when they've gone. Trust me it lingers. Don't delude yourself.

People always jump up to protect the stuff on here. It's pathetic.

RuddyLaura · 03/04/2023 20:56

I'd be interested to know more about the situation in Country's where it is legalised - on crime rates and mental health. Amsterdam is the obvious one, but what other Countries are there? Canada? There must be an evidence base building over the years of longer term impacts.

JudgeRudy · 03/04/2023 20:57

BlusteryLake · 03/04/2023 16:49

People always but their blinkers on when it comes to changing their behaviour and stopping doing something they like. All sorts of pathetic justification.

Yes, and that includes £4 T Shirts/designer trainers, tumble dryers, idling in your car, littering, packaging, balloons, taking the car to the shop, buying new curtains coz they don't match, getting nails done, testing on/eating animals, panic buying etc etc....I've probably done all of these.

AintNobodyHateMeBetter · 03/04/2023 20:57

Legalising drugs will normalise it to children.

AintNobodyHateMeBetter · 03/04/2023 20:58

And I can't stand the smell of weed. So many people smoke it first thing in the morning and then get on the tube and you can smell it a mile away on them. Gross. I'd rather cigarette smoke.

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StLevanBlackcaps · 03/04/2023 21:00

Where the hell do you live where you can smell drugs on every street?

In a town that’s seen as very well-to-do and to use the MN phrase ‘naice’. My next door neighbour smokes it regularly and as I walk down to town it’s obvious she isn’t the only one 🤷🏻‍♀️

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Staggeringthrough2023 · 03/04/2023 21:01

Beneficialchampion2 · 03/04/2023 17:03

Nail on the head.

Just close the thread and end it here.

Marijuana is statistically less dangerous than both tobacco and alcohol, and less addictive.

If it were legalised and regulated the crime would disappear.

I doubt this murder was the result of peddling weed unless someone can correct me? More likely to be hard drugs such as cocaine.

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Marijuana is just as bad, brain-addling and addictive as heroin. My darling cousin will be on anti-psychotics for the rest of his life because of weed. It's the equivalent of downing bottles of vodka, not the gentle buzz some people seem to think it is.

If you use drugs you are directly funding evil and misery. There are no drugs that are less impactful, they are all smuggled to the UK and poor, desperate people are often exploited to do so. I hate drugs with a passion.

LimitIsUp · 03/04/2023 21:03

My daughter has legally prescribed cannabis (prescription from Sapphire Medical clinic) dispensed by a UK pharmacy and delivered by DPD - all above board. There are an increasing number of cancard holders, because cannabis is a helpful therapy for many medical conditions. So put that in your pipe and smoke it Grin

I am very much pro full legalisation - cannabis (if grown and distributed legally) is far preferable to that utter scourge on society; alcohol

Staggeringthrough2023 · 03/04/2023 21:03

Newusernameaug · 03/04/2023 17:23

Weed actually only smells so strong when it’s combined with cigarettes, on its own it doesn’t really smell and goes very quickly.

My friends all home grown it and it’s grown with the intention of healing, so don’t judge associate everyone with hard core dealers, I know many people who home grow and think everyone should have the right to grown their own plants!

Home grown is completely different to the skunk that's imported. It's like comparing snakebite with a nice lager shandy. Skunk is evil stuff and causes psychosis and brain damage.

Staggeringthrough2023 · 03/04/2023 21:05

Thesharkradar · 03/04/2023 17:43

it's legal.... you can legally buy medical cannabis in the UK

You can buy THC. You can't buy medical cannabis, you can only be prescribed it (with great difficulty)

MarshaBradyo · 03/04/2023 21:06

Staggeringthrough2023 · 03/04/2023 21:01

Marijuana is just as bad, brain-addling and addictive as heroin. My darling cousin will be on anti-psychotics for the rest of his life because of weed. It's the equivalent of downing bottles of vodka, not the gentle buzz some people seem to think it is.

If you use drugs you are directly funding evil and misery. There are no drugs that are less impactful, they are all smuggled to the UK and poor, desperate people are often exploited to do so. I hate drugs with a passion.

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Yep it’s ruined some lives in my ex school peers

I agree with pp re normalising it for dc if legal too

LimitIsUp · 03/04/2023 21:12

@Staggeringthrough2023 - yes you can be prescribed medical cannabis but I can assure you that don't pay a weeny prescription fee of £9.65 for it. You very much buy it - on prescription - and the cost is not far off 'street' prices (at least it's clean and responsibly sourced though)

SerendipityJane · 03/04/2023 21:19

There's only one thing that drug dealers are scared of - even more than other drug dealers.

LimitIsUp · 03/04/2023 21:19

On the rare complication of cannabis induced psychosis, this remains contested in the literature. There are factors such as 'reverse-causal' mechanisms (where schizophrenia- related mechanisms lead to cannabis use) and 'genetic confounding' (common underlying risk for both schizophrenia and cannabis use)

Magenta82 · 03/04/2023 21:20

Staggeringthrough2023 · 03/04/2023 21:05

You can buy THC. You can't buy medical cannabis, you can only be prescribed it (with great difficulty)

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It's really not difficult, you Google medical cannabis clinic, get an appointment with a doctor, show you have tried a few other treatments first, then get the prescription.

MooseAndSquirrelLoveFlannel · 03/04/2023 21:21

I work for an ASB team in social housing. By far the biggest complaint we get, around 150 complaints per week, is the smell of cannabis.

It ruins people's lives, the smell is pervasive much more so than cigarettes. It's sweet, sickly and many complainants report that it makes them dizzy and unwell.

I live in a "posh" area and I can smell it here.

It really does ruin the enjoyment of people's home if their neighbours smoke it.

Not to mention, it's very rare to find one of our heavy users not also suffering extreme mental health, or taking part in crime or other ASB.

Not to mention the fact I'm usually in a child protection meeting at least once a week for a kid of a tenant who has been caught up on county lines or other drug gangs. One teenagers primary school age sister was beaten up, in her home, when the gang broke in to "scare" her brother into repaying a drug debt he owed after getting caught with a bag of weed at a train station. Mum had to move and uproot their whole lives to the other end of the country, giving up her job, her family and her friends to protect her children.

But weed users just care about the next spliff. Selfish.

Lmber · 03/04/2023 21:24

gamerchick · 03/04/2023 20:51

Bullshit. You can smell a bag of weed on someone without any tobacco in sight. I have to spray where someone has sat with weed on them at work when they've gone. Trust me it lingers. Don't delude yourself.

People always jump up to protect the stuff on here. It's pathetic.

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Totally agree. The smell is repulsive and common place now in public spaces like DC's playgrounds. My DC knew the smell by infants school. I've known people have to move home because of selfish, addicted ndns, costing them thousands. Alcohol doesn't do that.

Findyourneutralspace · 03/04/2023 21:24

I hate the drugs trade. I see it a lot with my job and there are so many victims. It’s a terrible industry.

Snugglemonkey · 03/04/2023 21:26

CremeEggThief · 03/04/2023 16:59

YABU.

If ALL drugs were legalised and properly taxed and regulated, we wouldn't be in the situation we are in now, with most of the money and power in the hands of criminals.

The American government sharp realised it had made a MASSIVE mistake prohibiting alcohol. What a shame that all of the governments refused to admit or realise this in relation to illegal drugs.

I agree. I used to smoke weed grown by a neighbour of mine. He was a very cool Rasta retiree who grew for personal use and to top up his pension I gave it up after moving because I was scared of it being tampered with, or fueling crime. Just generally not getting it ethically. It has been a long time now, but I would never consider buying any without being ok with the origins.

Neededanewuserhandle · 03/04/2023 21:26

There seem to be a lot of naive people on here. I live in a naice semi rural location. Six new houses were built recently - they sold for £650k a go. One is occupied by a family where the son openly smokes and deals weed. The Police don't give a fuck.
Something is very wrong.