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That Absolutely Amazing Woman

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MrsJackRackham · 02/04/2023 13:27

I've just read about the woman who gave evidence against the killer of Olivia Pratt-Korbel. What a fucking brave and phenomenal woman. She will have to go into witness protection and leave her whole life behind but she knew it was the right thing to do. And she gave the defence lawyer a mouthful as well by the sounds of it.
I could actually cry thinking about her.

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nothingcomestonothing · 03/04/2023 22:29

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ElsieWelsie · 03/04/2023 22:31

@HotSince82 are you arguing against there being defence barristers in the legal system? Or you agree they're needed but you think they're scumbags? Or just that every single one of them should have refused to do their job in this particular instance so we wouldn't have been able to see justice?

HotSince82 · 03/04/2023 22:32

SpringBlossomJoy · 03/04/2023 22:28

But that would be the jury’s fault, not the barrister.

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Depends entirely upon the proficiency of the barrister.

There is a reason people deserve representation.
Hardly any lay person is able gather and mount a decent legal defense.

Zone2NorthLondon · 03/04/2023 22:32

HotSince82 · 03/04/2023 20:20

I feel the same OP.

I am from Liverpool and she has the city apart from the scum absolutely behind her.

We don't like people who grass on their neighbours, granted. We absolutely support those who testify against drug dealing murderous bellends.

Shame on his barrister. There is no amount of money in the world that would incite a person with a modicum of moral integrity to defend such heinous actions.

Absolutely commending that woman's courage this evening. Bravo if you are reading this 👏

No shame on his barrister whatsoever. In a fair just legal system everyone needs representation inc the perpetrators. Impartial Fair Judiciary, and access representation is a fundamental right

ThisNameIsNotAvailable · 03/04/2023 22:33

user146539089 · 03/04/2023 22:22

Of course it has the opposite effect of what the defendant desires. Hoisted by their own petard, and rightly so.

This is a fair point and one which I hadn’t considered as I was too subjective and emotional about it all. Thank you

HotSince82 · 03/04/2023 22:33

ElsieWelsie · 03/04/2023 22:31

@HotSince82 are you arguing against there being defence barristers in the legal system? Or you agree they're needed but you think they're scumbags? Or just that every single one of them should have refused to do their job in this particular instance so we wouldn't have been able to see justice?

I wouldn't say they were scumbags but I wonder how they sleep at night.

DZbornak · 03/04/2023 22:34

@Ho@HotSince82
Just wanted to say that I completely agree with everything that you have said here, not sure why others are finding it hard to comprehend but pay no heed!

Zone2NorthLondon · 03/04/2023 22:35

HotSince82 · 03/04/2023 22:33

I wouldn't say they were scumbags but I wonder how they sleep at night.

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How do they sleep?soundly I expect. Why shouldn’t they. Doing the job yiu trained for is a privilege

HotSince82 · 03/04/2023 22:36

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No, but presumably they were able to choose their job.
And their area of practice.

No, this is not an appeal to do away with the judiciary. It is an opinion upon the morality of those who defend the sometimes indefensible. By choice.

x2boys · 03/04/2023 22:37

HotSince82 · 03/04/2023 22:11

I can't legally object.

I reserve the right to question their morals.

The two are not mutually exclusive as I'm certain you can appreciate.

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It's literally their job if a suspected criminal tells them they didn't do the offence regardless of the evidence against them,they have to defend the alleged criminal everybody is entitled to that representation ,imagine if you or one of your loved,ones were charged with a crime would you not want representation?

WhatAmIDoingWrong123 · 03/04/2023 22:38

HotSince82 · 03/04/2023 21:41

That's a false equivalence if ever there was one!

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You’re talking out of your arse, your understanding of barristers isn’t even rudimentary.

From one scouser to another.

HotSince82 · 03/04/2023 22:38

Zone2NorthLondon · 03/04/2023 22:35

How do they sleep?soundly I expect. Why shouldn’t they. Doing the job yiu trained for is a privilege

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I'd expect that to depend very much upon your chosen profession but granted, opinions obviously differ.

user146539089 · 03/04/2023 22:39

I would say most people working in the criminal justice system find it hard to sleep @HotSince82 I include probation officers (I assume you hate them too as they try to rehabilitate offenders) barristers and judges, the whole spectrum. What keeps them awake is being overworked and underpaid doing a job dealing day in day out with the worst aspects of human life. It’s not for the feint hearted or intellectually feeble or people who can’t distinguish between people who have a difficult job to do and those who condone the actions of the offenders they have to prosecute/defend/sentence/rehabilitate.

Moonshine5 · 03/04/2023 22:40

@MrsJackRackham
100% agree she's amazing. (Followed case closely)

x2boys · 03/04/2023 22:40

HotSince82 · 03/04/2023 22:33

I wouldn't say they were scumbags but I wonder how they sleep at night.

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A close relative of mine is a respected defence QC,I know he has represented a number of high profile criminals I imagine he sleeps very well as he's seeing that justice prevails .

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IHateLegDay · 03/04/2023 22:40

What's her name? I'd love to read about her

JustAnotherSod · 03/04/2023 22:41

Every single one of us, if charged with a criminal offence, is considered to be innocent until proven guilty. If a not guilty verdict results, the failure is in proving guilt, not in a defence asserting innocence.

Also, without Barristers working at the Criminal Bar, undertaking both prosecutions and defence depending on their instructions in the specific case, there wouldn't be a functioning criminal justice system - is that what you want?

Zone2NorthLondon · 03/04/2023 22:41

Ok,I too have worked with convicted criminals (some pretty heinous crimes)
I advocate for them,I treat them,I’m the consummate professional
Doing the job I trained for. It’s a privilege

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ImaniMumsnet · 03/04/2023 22:41

Hi everyone, just a quick note from us asking for some peace and love on this thread and to stick to the original topic as there's lots of derailing going on here.

HotSince82 · 03/04/2023 22:42

user146539089 · 03/04/2023 22:39

I would say most people working in the criminal justice system find it hard to sleep @HotSince82 I include probation officers (I assume you hate them too as they try to rehabilitate offenders) barristers and judges, the whole spectrum. What keeps them awake is being overworked and underpaid doing a job dealing day in day out with the worst aspects of human life. It’s not for the feint hearted or intellectually feeble or people who can’t distinguish between people who have a difficult job to do and those who condone the actions of the offenders they have to prosecute/defend/sentence/rehabilitate.

Equating defending a criminal with rehabilitating them is glaringly illogical.

Opposite ends of the spectrum in my personal opinion.

PomRuns · 03/04/2023 22:44

IHateLegDay · 03/04/2023 22:40

What's her name? I'd love to read about her

The person who gave evidence? Hopefully we'll never know her name.

OfCourseImNameChanging · 03/04/2023 22:46

HotSince82 · 03/04/2023 22:11

I can't legally object.

I reserve the right to question their morals.

The two are not mutually exclusive as I'm certain you can appreciate.

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So say every barrister refused to defend this guy on account of having impeccable morals. Or one did represent him but deliberately did a bad job. Then a violent murderous criminal would have walked free due to not having had a fair trial. Would that be an acceptable outcome to you? If not, do you see that someone has to take his case and represent him properly? Otherwise justice can't be done.

user146539089 · 03/04/2023 22:46

Seriously @HotSince82? Everything you say is just absolute nonsense. They all make up part of the same system, the criminal justice system. Each depends upon the other to work as well as possible. I find it Incomprehensible you can’t grasp this.

Aturnipforthebooks · 03/04/2023 22:46

*We don't like people who grass on their neighbours, granted.

@HotSince82 *

So you don't believe reporting crimes committed against other people (apart from
in this case), but are angry that you didn't get justice for a crime committed against you?