To think a 4am start every day is unreasonable?

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DD has a relatively new job which is her first job relating to her degree (has been doing it 3 months).

Issue is it's a 4am start every Monday-Friday! She's such a night owl, so is going to bed at 11pm every night, to get up for 3...

I'm worried she is literally knocking years off her life. She admits she is really tired but just catches up on weekends or takes a nap after work.

AIBU to think this isn't a sustainable job and she needs to find something else?

It's 4-1pm as well so quite long

Sure, but OP is a grown adult.

She's free to stick it out or leave as she sees fit.

I used to get up at 4am once a week for work - I liked it as I was done by midday and then had a long weekend ahead of me.

Maybe so, but OP's daughter is an adult and free to make her own decisions about what hours she wants to work.

She doesn't need mummy holding her hand and telling her it's inappropriate.

I couldn't do it. Why did she take the job with such terrible hours.

It's 9 hours which is an hour a day longer than average.

"It's 9 hours which is an hour a day longer than average."

Yes, it's a bit longer than usual and also partly during the night. Night work is known to be bad for your health.

Of course it's not unreasonable. Is she a postie? Agree she needs to go to bed earlier though as 4 hours sleep isn't good long term.

Millions of people work 9am-6pm, or 8am-5pm which is a 9 hour day.

It's pretty normal, especially when you factor in a lunch break.

if you know you have a 4am start and you stay up to 11 regularly then that's your look out, isn't it?

Oh let her alone, when I was in my early 20's I'd be up all night drinking battery acid and in work for a 4am start on no sleep, young 20 something's are like the Terminator. I couldn't do it now and wouldn't want to, but it was fine back then. She's an adult, it's up to her to decide if she's ok with it or not.

It's not unreasonable hours at all, what is unreasonable is your daughter only going to bed 4 hours before she needs to get up for work.

She’s unreasonable to go to bed at 11pm if her day starts at 3am!

I couldn’t have worked that sort of shift long term, but I did it when I was young. I worked nights for a couple of years in my early 20s, 8pm-7am for a year and then 4am-midday for a year or so.

And when I was SLT in a school I was up before 5 everyday for years, in work by 7am latest and worked an 11 hour day.

Its doable. Not ideal, but doable.

It depends. For me I work for an airline so 3am 4am starts are usual for me and I’ve been doing them 6 years with no issue. I couldn’t do a 9-5 office job now no chance.

4-1 Isn't a long day at all! I'd love those hours. I'd never have to send my child to after school club again
In all seriousness it doesn't sound bad to me at all. If she enjoys it leave her be

Im up at 03.30 for a 12.5 hour shift and have done for over 20 years and havent died yet if that helps.
Rarely asleep before 11pm

Prolly ?

I did some night shifts the other month for the first time in years. What I found working for me was to get home, wind down briefly if necessary, go to bed. When I woke up I could then do whatever I needed for a while, then go back to bed with an alarm set in order to get up rested ready to go to work.

I'd encourage your daughter to think about how much sleep she needs on average per day, and seriously consider a biphasic sleep pattern if she'd rather keep her evenings free to socialise. 3 hours sleep in the afternoon followed by 4 or 5 hours sleep at night could work really well for her, with occasional flexibility.

YABU
She is an adult, and presumably chose to apply for and then accept this job ?

Presumably it is a job that has to be worked at those hours - milking cows, doing the make-up for breakfast TV, baker, etc? Rather than a weird way of managing staff by some odd sort of manager.

She is an adult, and will work out how and when she needs to get her sleep in - people that work shifts during night time catch up in different ways.

She maybe didn't have a choice if it's related to her degree.

Nine hours isn't a particularly long shift. Nowhere near the 12 hours done by hospitality/nurses/security guards/etc.

I'm up at 5am every day but I do a ten hour shift which can quite regularly go on for another hour or two.

Right now I'm covering for another depot, so I'm getting up at five and doing a ten hour shift with an hour driving either side. I usually go to the gym after too. As long as I'm asleep by 10/10:30pm I'm fine.

I’d say 4am is early, but fine. It’s a bit rubbish for socialising outside of work, as you tend to be in bed or knackered when everyone else is wanting to go out. However, I think often those with horses or farm animals rise early and it’s not that unusual in the country. Equally lots of parents with young children wake early. I think it’s quite good to show yourself it’s possible. She does need to go to bed earlier on the nights she’s working, but I imagine she’ll learn that along the way.

Shifts change. Working 4-11 every day isn’t working shifts.

That's not necessarily true. Shift work generally means working outside the standard 9-5.

Lots of 24h business have people on set shifts - 12 hour days and nights, or split into three eight hour shifts.

It's still shift work even if you do the same shift everyday.

I agree - it's a fixed shift.

Fixed shifts usually are quite sought after in shift work occupations because it's changing shifts that messes your sleep up.

If you're on a fixed shift and have no caring responsibility dictating your sleep pattern then it's on you if you don't go to bed at a sensible time!

She'll learn to go to bed earlier.

We forget what it's like to be young to be able to run on a few hours sleep.

It's really nothing to do with you OP. Unless she's waking the house up and being inconsiderate.

No its not shifts, Its unsociable hours.
We term anything outside of 11pm - 6am as unsociable hours