To think diversity and inclusion in employment rarely includes age

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Just that really. I've noticed that there's a lot more emphasis on diversity, which is great, but then for example even in the photos of staff they're all young. It doesn't feel to me as if diversity in workplaces has extended to age yet. AIBU?

Albiboba and Poussey both shared the percentages (one as a table, on as a graph) further up the thread.

You can download all the data for yourself from the government website if you'd like.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/datasets/employmentunemploymentandeconomicinactivitybyagegroupseasonallyadjusteda05sa/current

I went back into financial services at the beginning of last year age 51 and after a 6 year career break. Got a job no problem, didn't like it so got another one after a few months.
Equal split between men / woman at all levels of both companies and age range approx 22 - 60.

The OP is the one who claimed there were MORE young people than old people. There is not.
You can claim that’s obvious all you want but it wasn’t to OP and it’s clearly untrue.

Considering I also listed unemployment and by the reverse employment figures as a percentage of age group, this also makes it clear that there are not more unemployed people in the older catabolises. If you’re actually interested you can go back and look or look at the uk employment data yourself but its coming across like you’re being obtuse deliberately and aren’t replying in genuine faith since you are intent on removing the OPs initial claims from the argument for some reason.

How odd. Can you share the time stamp of the posts that show the analysis?

I can see a table of salaries, so clearly that’s not it.

I can see a link to a graph, but the graph itself isn’t readable and the link is a paywall. And the commentary on the link compares 35 to 49 year olds, with 16-to-24 year old's, which isn’t the age range discussed.

Really interested to see the analysis backing up the statement about 25-34 vs 50-65, as I am on the fence. Would be interesting to see it split by gender also.

I am just genuinely interested in your analysis on these age groups. If you can give the time stamp where you posted it, that would be great.

I’m not interested enough to research the data set myself, but are you able to back up your claims?

I’m also not sure what you mean “The OP is the one who claimed there were MORE young people than old people. There is not.” I haven’t seen the OP claim there were more young people than old people (maybe I missed the post).

Now, I’m confused. @Siepie has just linked you to the ONS data on all age ranges. The data you’re interested in is provided in an Excel format and you can view and analyse it as you wish.

Is this not what you’re asking for?

No, sorry if I wasn’t clear. I’m interested in @Albiboba s analysis to back up the claims about those age ranges. If the analysis has already been done then I don’t really want to faff around with spreadsheets on my phone.

I thought someone had said that the analysis was already posted, but it just looked like salary ranges and an unreadable graph?

Bitter personal experience from applying to hundreds of companies who won’t hire me because I’m too old to understand what’s new and trendy.

The data has been shared in various forms, most comprehensively by @Siepie in direct response to you. I can tag you in the other responses that have provided it, but if you don’t want to look at data, I’m not sure what you’re asking for.

You can have the data of you can have other people’s interpretations of said data. Other people’s interpretations are what you’ve disagreed with, but you don’t want to look at the data yourself, so I don’t understand what you want to happen.

The table of unemployment rates was posted by Albiboba · Today 12:38

The link to the graph opened for me fine earlier, but is paywalled now - I think it only offers a limited number of views for free.

That just means that you have/are, though. It’s not indicative of anything other than your personal experience.

The info would be better by sector as some might be harder than others

Absolutely. I raised this a number of times in my last workplace. And worse for women than men. Women over 50 seem to be totally absent from D&I marketing materials.

If you haven’t seen OP claim there are more young people than old people I really don’t plan to engage further. It’s literally the first post.
‘but then for example even in the photos of staff they're all young. It doesn't feel to me as if diversity in workplaces has extended to age yet.’

How has ‘diversity in workplaces not extended to age’ when actually older people are the most represented demographic?

Again OP claimed ‘many people’ find a problem finding employment over 45! While this could well be true for individuals (and we have no idea why they are struggling, it could simply be that they are the less experienced candidate for the role) the data for unemployment by the ONS states that unemployment is at the same rate for the middle aged as those approaching retirement. It’s actually significantly higher for those under 24.

The OP is the one who claimed there were MORE young people than old people. There is not.

I didn't claim this.

Again OP claimed ‘many people’ find a problem finding employment over 45! While this could well be true for individuals (and we have no idea why they are struggling, it could simply be that they are the less experienced candidate for the role)

You seem to be denying that ageism in hiring is a thing. But it is.

100% this and people without degrees for non degree relevant roles. My dh works for a very large company and challenges this all the time with their diversity officer.

You're conflating different issues. Someone being unable to find a senior-level job in a company or anything else because their CV reveals they're in their 50s is very different to targeting a young Black man or woman specifically because they often lack structural support and access to various industries.

If you want to moan about being overlooked because you're of a certain age you can do that without implying it's all those minorities occupying what would have otherwise been your job

And yet

‘but then for example even in the photos of staff they're all young’

‘Mid level and senior management in almost every sector still skews older. If everyone in the photos you’re looking at is young, it’s likely to be people at entry level. Is that the context?

Perhaps so but surely it's more men at that level. But yes I'm thinking about entry level/ mid level jobs, returners, internships, job moves, rather than senior management.’

If there are more older people in mid and senior management but you are talking about entry etc what are you actually suggesting then about this if not that it skews younger and that’s a perceived negative to older people?

Then your tone changed and apparently
’The point is people over 45 say applying for jobs aren't included in the diversity and inclusion policies. Because of ageism. That doesn't affect 20 year olds.’

Again talking nonsense which isn’t supported by anything. Why would there be a diversity focus on age for a 45 year old but not a 20 year old, when the demographic of 45 year old are in the workforce in higher numbers and have a considerably lower unemployment rate?

A quick google re U.K. ageism and a fair few reports come ip

Here’s one, which puts ageism cited as top reason

https://www.ciphr.com/workplace-discrimination-statistics/

Is it? Based on what?
You not finding a job quickly?
The other poster who suggested a 20 year old with no experience would be ‘snapped up’ but she wasn’t because she was like 45?

Is it ageism if a 20 year old isn’t employed because they don’t have the experience of the role? By your reasoning they only don’t have the experience due to their age so adjustments should be made?

Your claims don’t reflect reality? Do some people lose out individually in hiring to a younger person? Very possibly, it could be down to age, it could be down to attitude, it could be down to salary expectations. But are the over 45s a highly marginalised group who are passed over for jobs on a society wide basis? No because this would be reflected in a huge different in the unemployment rate skewed higher towards those ages, but it isn’t.

Have a look at report just below your post.

The op isn’t alone, it’s an often cited issue

The report is just based on self declaration. 11% of people feel that they didn’t get the job based on age. There is nothing to back this up. Plus there is nothing to suggest this is all or even predominantly people who feel they were too old rather than too young.

I don’t see how this is relevant really.

I was really impressed that in a recent DE&I week at work, Age was one of the focus days, and the external speaker was great on emphasising the perceptions of age at both ends of the scale but also how women are discriminated on their age right through their working life for different reasons

What’s the point in the multiple reports that cover the same issue if they’re useless

Have a google loads comes up.

I don’t get why people are arguing against this so much tbh

Sectors may be different and I don’t think the op has said which sector she is in. The age range in the sector I know is quite skewed compared with other sectors.