To think diversity and inclusion in employment rarely includes age

[teneastereggs]

Just that really. I've noticed that there's a lot more emphasis on diversity, which is great, but then for example even in the photos of staff they're all young. It doesn't feel to me as if diversity in workplaces has extended to age yet. AIBU?

@xPaz *I was basically a competent 45 year old with good communication skills but no qualifications, no valuable relevant experiences. I do understand why I wasn't snapped up, but still, 20 year olds with no experience don't need to worry about that.

I formatted my experience in to transferrable competencies and I did get a job EVENTUALLY. After seeing a career coach! What 20 year old needs to do that to get a job.*

Maybe you should talk to a 20 year old about getting a job.

No 20 year old with no experience or qualifications is getting snapped up either! Young people do government apprentices schemes for about £3 an hour if they have no qualifications and even when they have a university degree they are largely expected to work for free as an intern for a number of months, sometimes as long as a year.

Maybe you should talk to a 20 year old about getting a job

Nobody wants 20 year olds to have problems either, but that's not what the thread is about.

This assumption that older people expect high wages could be fuelling the problem.

According to the stats, the problem doesn’t exist.

Older people can be in situations where they're just not being considered for roles in the first place.

Because, as you’ve stated, they’re not applying.

Nobody wants 20 year olds to have problems either, but that's not what the thread is about.

This thread isn’t about employment rates of women, either, but you keep dismissing things with ‘that’s for men, though’.

@teneastereggs I dont want unfair pay for young people. Also I just think the figures you've posted dont relate to women who've taken time out to raise children and things like that. This assumption that older people expect high wages could be fuelling the problem. Older people can be in situations where they're just not being considered for roles in the first place.

So your point isn’t age it’s actually sexism specific to mothers who have been out of the workforce? You keep mentioning it’s age related and then most of the examples are largely sex.
I mean the biggest policy being looked at to tackle mothers who leave the workforce is extending the funded childcare so that they don’t have to stay at home at the expense of a career, if that’s their choice.

As I said PousseyNotMoira you keep saying there's no problem, when peoples experience is that there is a problem. Kind of proves my point. Nobody would tell other groups there wasn't an issue, there's been recognition of diversity and inclusion issues and steps to change them. With age it doesn't seem that it's taken seriously as an inclusion issue.

I mean the biggest policy being looked at to tackle mothers who leave the workforce is extending the funded childcare

That's too late for people who left in the past Albiboba
I can see what you're saying that age diversity should include young people. Which is fair enough, although at least there are schemes and apprenticeships. But I agree with you there's no reason a 20 year old should get lower pay for the same work as someone who's 30.

You don’t seem to know what the thread is about!

Its not okay to mention young people work for less money and receive receive less benefits based on age but it’s okay to discuss SAHMs returning to work which isn’t directly related to age but a long stint out of the workforce.

And, as I said (I’ll copy/paste, as you ignored it the first time):

The plural of ‘anecdote’ is not ‘data’. You have been presented with stats from numerous verifiable sources that demonstrate there clearly isn’t an issue. You’re ignoring those, because they’re not reflective of your personal experience.

‘Other groups’ don’t get told there is no problem because there clearly is one, backed up by facts and data. You are told there isn’t an issue because older people are not underrepresented in the workplace.

The point is people over 45 say applying for jobs aren't included in the diversity and inclusion policies. Because of ageism. That doesn't affect 20 year olds.

‘Other groups’ don’t get told there is no problem because there clearly is one, backed up by facts and data. You are told there isn’t an issue because older people are not underrepresented in the workplace

So you're saying older people applying for jobs have no issue.

As there are more people in employment between 50-65 than 25-34, and the employment rate in the United Kingdom was highest among 35 to 49 year olds, no, there clearly isn’t an issue.

They aren’t included in D&I policies because they aren’t underrepresented.

This.

It’s not ageism! That aren’t targeted as part of a diversity policy because they aren’t under represented. If it was included in a diversity policies it would absolutely affect 20 year olds because there are currently many more older people employed than younger people so they don’t need an additional leg up.

It's about not discriminating based on certain characteristics, specifically in the case of this thread, age. And how age discrimination seems to be the one discrimination in employment where less consideration is given.

You can say there's no problem if you want to, but there is a problem, as many people have found when looking for work over 45.

Even without a name that dates you have to put down when you got qualifications so all pretence of hiding a candidate's age disappears.

OP, you are being told repeatedly by two posters that oldies don’t count as diversity as there are too many of you already in the workforce, and you continue to stand your ground - the worst kind of woman! ;)

Diversity and inclusion policies are about increasing and safeguarding representation. Older people are not underrepresented.

You can say there's no problem if you want to, but there is a problem, as many people have found when looking for work over 45.

Again, you keep ignoring this. There are more people in employment between 50-65 than 25-34, and the employment rate in the United Kingdom was highest among 35 to 49 year olds.

You can claim there is a problem if you want to, but it’s factually inaccurate. The fact that you and a few MNers have difficulty getting a job cannot be extrapolated into ‘it is difficult to get jobs over 45’.

Diversity and inclusion policies are about increasing and safeguarding representation. Older people are not underrepresented.

Inclusion- that means including all groups

The worst kind of person, of any gender or age, ignores facts and stats and just beats the same (inaccurate) drum, imo.

Oh give it a rest. You stated your opinion, no need to post 20 more times how you think the OP is wrong.

Yes, ensuring all groups are included and represented. And older people, as a group, are already included and represented, so no policies exist to increase this. Older people are not underrepresented.

So, OP gets to state the same thing over and over, but the people who disagree - and can substantiate what they’re saying - should give it a rest?

Interesting. 😂

Anyone would think you’re choosing to be obtuse about discrimination policy on purpose.

Of course the most over represented demographic doesn’t count under diversity policy. It’s idiotic to suggest so.
The over 50s make up over 30% of the work force. They are leaving in greater numbers however the majority of over 50s cite not wanting to work anymore as their reason for leaving rather than not being able to find employment. Plenty of studies say the same thing.