Who was PM during the best of times for you?

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Me?

Blair. Brown, first bit of Cameron.

On paper I earn more money now but everything's tits up isn't it? From the economy to shit on beaches to being able to get access to the NHS when needed.

Major did a lot of the work, Blair finished it. It’s only fair to say it was a joint endeavour. The wonderful and much missed Mo Molem was hugely instrumental in it.

A lot of people did the work and had been working on it for a time before Blair. That's why I included Major in my original answer.

But Blair with Mo Mowlam got it across the line and that was no mean feat. People forget that it was no sure thing and was really touch and go, skin of your teeth stuff. It took massive effort to get enough agreement to make it a success.

Blair and Brown
I was born during Blair's run, generally things seemed pretty good when I was a kid. I am from a very low income family and had a lot more government help than children in the same mess would have now.
I was okay, even in inner city schools in a very low income area with 35+ class sizes, we still had resourses- we had teaching assistants, the kids with additional needs had LSAs and the free school meals were good and fairly healthy.

I used to thought it was just the cynicism of being not a child anymore and seeing "the real world" that made me think everything just seems to get so much shitter every year.
It's nice to know thats not fully the case, maybe there might be a kinder time again.

Same

Blair Brown

Used to fancy old tony

He really didn't. But even if he did, that doesn't justify his policy decisions that resulted in the death of multiples of those that died in Ireland. Multiple the trauma of Northern Ireland by 100 and condense it from 30 years to 5 years and that's what families in Iraq suffered as a result of his policy decisions. He made that decision.

Yes, the real progress was made by Major and Mó. The toxic Mandelson tried to get in on the act and Blair saw an opportunity. The person that took political, personal and career risks and understood it was Major. Major didn't let his ego get in the way of progress, which was rare in Northern Ireland politics

Blair/Brown too

"Today is not a day for soundbites. But... I feel the hand of history upon our shoulder, I really do."

No. But do have first hand experience of what his policies did. 300k dead and utter devistation to society that is still negatively effected as a result of what he sanctioned. I'm not a pacefist. If you need to defend your country then I will do it. But if you listen to Russia justifying their action in Ukraine with exactly the same words as Blair used all those years ago with the same outcomes, you might get where I am coming from.
They are exactly the same.

Not now though, right?

He really did. Stop denying historical reality and gaslighting here.

I never said it justified any of his other decisions. It did change life for everyone in NI and many in the rest of the UK.

At the time of Iraq War II, I, along with millions of others denounced him as a War criminal and until this thread I have referred to him as Tony B Liar.

Don't tell me to multiply my trauma. It's shit enough as it is. And pray tell how do I condense it? Was living it not enough for you?

What do you want?
That I multiply my father's scars?
That I imagine what it's like to see 4 mothers rifle butted and battered into a wagon instead of just one?
That I imagine being gang raped rather than just remember being sexually assaulted by numerous policemen and soldiers under the guise of "security search"?

This thread asks Who was PM during the best time for you?
I answered honestly.

You used it to Virtue Signal.

This is the bottom line

We hate our uncaring government because we have reduced public services but at the same time we are the leading support for a Country where 10s of thousands are being killed by an agressive military power. This is military support, financial support and compassionate support to those displaced. This is a good thing.

We love Blair Government because we borrowed plenty to have better public services, peace in Northern Ireland but at the same time we sanctioned policies and paid for and told our army to fight a war that resulted in the death of 300000 people in a far away country that didn't threaten our security. This is a bad thing.
What ever 'brave Tony' did with reforms, he made decisions that resulted in the death of more people than any other UK Prime Minister since the war. That might not bother you of you have more time for cpd as a teacher, but I'm not eulogising his legacy.

Away to fuck with your second hand, transactional shite, virtue signalling, rewriting history bollocks @ClareBlue.

This is the bottom line
Seriously? Catch yerself on.

I really didn't.
I said that if you think Blair was the best time then you have to accept or dismiss the rest. I didn't ever say that it wasn't or shouldn't have been the best time for anyone and I made no comment on the reasons why people might think it was. I said that if you think it was the best time then you have to overlook or not care or think your best time is more important than the consequences of his policy decisions in other areas.
I'm not virtue signaling or minimising trauma in Ní and the 10 times was to give context. Of course individual trauma and experience is different. I can not know or understand what you or anyone experienced on an individual basis. I never said that it might not have been the best of times for any individual. I just said that if it was then his other policy and actions must have been kes if a priority for you. That's all.

Agree. I think he wouldn't even be labour right wing now. Def underestimated and seemed to have a real belief in public service and a common good. Everything was calm until the right wing early Brexit mob started on him. These fuckers were only few but have alot to answer for when history is written

Thanks for the reasoned response, it's appreciated.

So if posters say their best time was under this or that PM, that makes them responsible for whatever that PM did?

WTAF?

Blair

Margaret Thatcher. Not because of her but because I left school in 1979 and had a lot of fun in my late teens and twenties. Didn't give a shit about politics then.

Sorry for the derail folks.

Blair introduced student loans and tuition fees.

If one was 5-15 years old during Blair's government, I doubt you have that much of a handle on his entire policy agenda during that period, but it could've still been the best/happiest/most carefree time of life for you PERSONALLY.

The question isn't "who was the best PM?"

I was on annual leave for a couple of weeks during Truss's premiership. It was a great time!

Thatcher. But she was also PM during the worst of times. I also did well during Blair’s years, but I wasn’t in the UK.