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Amsterdam has a new Ad campaign telling young Brits looking for a messy night out to stay away

228 replies

OldHouseLover · 29/03/2023 18:33

It's pretty bad when there had to be an actual ad campaign?

Do you think it's fair that only British people are targeted?

OP posts:
MarquessofPembroke · 30/03/2023 08:44

a lady dropping her knickers in the street for a piss. We’re a classy nation!

oh give over. How many British women would ever do that?

Emigratingimmigrant · 30/03/2023 08:44

Brothels are legal in many places across Europe. It still doesn't give people right to treat that cities with respect they would have to broken public toilet.

Greenfairydust · 30/03/2023 08:44

Fair enough.

Amsterdam is much more than the Red Lights District.

Great museums, architecture, markets, boat tours.

A fair amount of arrogance displayed on this thread too it seems, which gives an insight as to why the brits might be targeted.

The fact that the city has a legalised sex and drug trade doesn't mean people can act like dickheads when visiting it and become a nuisance to the locals by being rude, arrogant, combative and drinking/drugging themselves into a stupid state.

It is perfectly possible to be a bit more respectful, discreet and sophisticated about it...

Places like Ibiza & Greece have already got fed up with rowdy, disrespectful Brits, now it's Amsterdam.

The ''we are abroad & spending money so we can do what the hell we want'' mentality is simply not attractive.

Knullrufs · 30/03/2023 08:47

MarquessofPembroke · 30/03/2023 08:44

a lady dropping her knickers in the street for a piss. We’re a classy nation!

oh give over. How many British women would ever do that?

Oh my sweet summer child…

CuteOrangeElephant · 30/03/2023 08:48

MarquessofPembroke · 30/03/2023 08:42

Just looked it up, prevalence of prostitution is not much higher in the Netherlands than in the UK. Just because it's more overt over there, doesn't mean it happens more often. I bet the average sex worker has more protection there, they even have their own union

There's a Sex Workers Union in the UK too - doesn't stop them being raped, beaten, degraded.

Plus I don't think traffickers allow their workers to join a union.

I despair how some women try to justify the tolerance of the exploitation of women.

Where was I justifying it?

If it would be up to me it would all be illegal. I just don't see the particular form of it in Amsterdam as worse than in Britain and certainly not an invitation for British men to come over and make an absolute scene.

Countdown2023 · 30/03/2023 08:49

And some of the Spanish islands have also said they don’t want British tourists who only want cheap boozy holidays.

CuteOrangeElephant · 30/03/2023 08:50

I actually wish more tourists would come and indulge in weed only. Those are not the troublemakers.

The troublemakers are the ones who drink too much beer and use cocaine and other substances, which are strictly not legal. I wish the Dutch police would crack down on that extremely hard.

LimitIsUp · 30/03/2023 08:51

jays · 30/03/2023 07:56

I’ve lived there and it is a beautiful city. However, if you are going to devote an entire district to windowed psrotitition, sell pre prepared assortments of cannabis and magic mushrooms etc in bars … I’ve no idea what types of tourists you’re expecting to attract and it’s hardly a surprise that they’re of the more ‘boisterous’ nature.

Well I'm going as a tourist and I am visiting the Van Gogh museum, the Anne Frank museum, the Keukenhof Gardens 🤷‍♀️ I am going mid week rather than at the weekend though - deliberately.

CuteOrangeElephant · 30/03/2023 08:51

Countdown2023 · 30/03/2023 08:49

And some of the Spanish islands have also said they don’t want British tourists who only want cheap boozy holidays.

I remember the upset on this forum when Spain curbed drinking in all-inclusive hotels. Like it's their god-given right to consume more than 6 alcoholic drinks a day.

IhearyouClemFandango · 30/03/2023 08:52

thewooster · 29/03/2023 19:02

What do the Dutch expect? They offer booze, drugs and women for sale and then moan when the morons turn up!

This tbh. They've encouraged this image and are now surprised when twats turn up to take advantage of it. You're hardly going to get many 'naice' tourists wanting a part of it!

That said, Brits abroad can be shockingly poor though.

Ponoka7 · 30/03/2023 08:55

DeeplyMovingExperience · 29/03/2023 18:45

I spend a lot of time in Amsterdam for work reasons and the british "blokes abroad" there are a total embarrassment. It's a beautiful city and severely blighted by the twats who go there for the red light and drugs scene.

It's shit when people turn up for what the city offers in its marketing. Pity they still haven't rid the windows of trafficked women and got hard drugs off the streets, but hey let's claim the British. It's like London complaining about the footfall around the crown jewels. The officials are well aware of everything that goes on, the hotels that offer rooms that you can smoke in, the places that don't care what state that the men are in, the take-away drug places that are breaking the laws, but that's what makes the money. It seems everywhere across Europe wants to reinvent themselves and wants to blame the punters for buying what's been advertised.

Confusion101 · 30/03/2023 09:11

Greenfairydust · 30/03/2023 08:44

Fair enough.

Amsterdam is much more than the Red Lights District.

Great museums, architecture, markets, boat tours.

A fair amount of arrogance displayed on this thread too it seems, which gives an insight as to why the brits might be targeted.

The fact that the city has a legalised sex and drug trade doesn't mean people can act like dickheads when visiting it and become a nuisance to the locals by being rude, arrogant, combative and drinking/drugging themselves into a stupid state.

It is perfectly possible to be a bit more respectful, discreet and sophisticated about it...

Places like Ibiza & Greece have already got fed up with rowdy, disrespectful Brits, now it's Amsterdam.

The ''we are abroad & spending money so we can do what the hell we want'' mentality is simply not attractive.

Cannot believe it took me until page 3 to read a comment like this!!! This in the bucket loads!!!! Totally agree.

Catspyjamas17 · 30/03/2023 09:28

Maybe Amsterdam should reform their sex trade and drug culture to stop attracting horrible men to go there.

CuteOrangeElephant · 30/03/2023 09:38

Maybe people should just behave regardless of what the culture at the local destination is. Also the red light district is such a small area of Amsterdam. That is not what the local culture is about at all. In fact daily cannabis use is higher in the UK than it is in the Netherlands.

Dutch police should slap this down hard. Pissing in the street? 1000 euro fine and no return to the Netherlands for 10 years.

Confusion101 · 30/03/2023 09:39

Catspyjamas17 · 30/03/2023 09:28

Maybe Amsterdam should reform their sex trade and drug culture to stop attracting horrible men to go there.

Maybe the men can stop being horrible?

Catspyjamas17 · 30/03/2023 09:40

Also lots of people speak English as a common language when they visit other countries. It doesn't mean all these guys are British. I bet a lot of them are Irish, Russian, Hungarian, Lithuanian etc. Loads of countries have problems with alcoholism and anti-social behaviour problems. Scandinavia has such a drink problem that governments put up alcohol taxes hugely to make it really expensive to drink alcohol.

Catspyjamas17 · 30/03/2023 09:41

Confusion101 · 30/03/2023 09:39

Maybe the men can stop being horrible?

Well, yes, but I'm not holding my breath.

LindyLou2020 · 30/03/2023 09:42

May I ask for opinions on a slightly wider issue?
I, and people I know, have certainly witnessed totally obnoxious behaviour from drunken Brits abroad. I have actually felt embarrassed and ashamed.
We also see it in the media, and I might have been tempted to accuse the media of exaggerating the extent of the problem had I not seen it for myself.
Other people say that it is definitely not just the Brits who behave like this, and that it's unfair to blame them, and no other nationality.
I don't honestly know if that's true or not.
But, if it is us Brits who are the worst behaved, why is that?
I've often wondered about this, and I honestly don't know.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 30/03/2023 09:43

thewooster · 29/03/2023 19:02

What do the Dutch expect? They offer booze, drugs and women for sale and then moan when the morons turn up!

This

ThreeblackCats · 30/03/2023 09:44

I didn’t need the ad, I’ll never return.
we were there last August on our Disney cruise around Europe and took the grandchildren. I was embarrassed at what a dirty, scruffy, smelly, rubbish strewn dump Amsterdam was!

I had last visited a lot of years ago, it’s really gone downhill. If I’m ever on a cruise there again, I’ll stay onboard the ship.

Catspyjamas17 · 30/03/2023 09:47

I have never actually witnessed it on holiday, not even when I went to potentially rowdy places on holiday when I was younger. I've seen fighting in my local town once. My impression is that these things have massively reduced from a peak in the 1990s/2000s. Loads of pubs have shut or are focussed on eating, not standing up and drinking until you fall over and the youngest people old enough to go out of an evening don't drink as much.

I don't go on holiday now where there are rowdy groups of people of any nationality and I've never felt unwelcome due to my nationality anywhere.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 30/03/2023 09:51

Catspyjamas17 · 30/03/2023 09:28

Maybe Amsterdam should reform their sex trade and drug culture to stop attracting horrible men to go there.

Now now, let's not generalise, I'm sure many men who go to pay for a woman's body are actually really lovely if you get to know them

Confused
tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 30/03/2023 09:52

Confusion101
Maybe the men can stop being horrible?

Well, yes, but I'm not holding my breath.

//

There is NO SUCH THING as a nice man who pays for sex

Catspyjamas17 · 30/03/2023 09:52

I completely agree, not sure why you thought my post was saying otherwise.

EmmaEmerald · 30/03/2023 09:54

I read somewhere that the problem is also one of numbers.I'm a Londoner, so a city being overwhelmed by tourists is something I get. Maybe they think trying to deter a certain demographic will help numbers too.

It's hard...if it's what residents want, then it's not really my place to be annoyed.