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Amsterdam has a new Ad campaign telling young Brits looking for a messy night out to stay away

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OldHouseLover · 29/03/2023 18:33

It's pretty bad when there had to be an actual ad campaign?

Do you think it's fair that only British people are targeted?

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maddy68 · 30/03/2023 18:46

thewooster · 30/03/2023 07:02

But if they still offer women for sale for sex and drugs are smoked freely, they will never stamp out the punters/dopeheads.

Other countries have similar ,the locals don't cause issues. It's a way of regulating and controlling what happens everywhere underground

MarshaBradyo · 30/03/2023 18:48

What does the campaign look like?

Not sure it would impact much

Dinosauratemydaffodils · 30/03/2023 19:17

I wonder if it's related to our work culture. Pre kids both dh and I did 60 plus hour weeks in demanding jobs but were also expected to play just as hard. My father was in the military, same principle applied and dh's was a civil engineer, again long hours and wild parties.

Personally having been a guest of the Italian Navy, partied with members of various foreign Airforces and been stuck in a holiday resort with a lot of Russians, I don't think it's just a British thing but as a country, we're definitely guilty. I went to a hen weekend in Amsterdam once and whilst I had a great time sight seeing, the behaviour of some of my (ex) friends left a lot of to be desired and the police got involved. On reflection though, they did nothing they wouldn't have done at home because of the work hard/play hard thing which is a whole other issue.

We're meant to be going this winter for various reasons but I must admit to being a bit put off. We're absolutely not the demographic this is aimed at (barely drink, disagree entirely with prostitution, don't do drugs, don't pee on the street, speak enough Dutch to manage ordering food/touristy stuff, like museums and want my kids to see Efteling because I loved it as a child) but knowing your nationality isn't wanted (for understandable reasons) is uncomfortable.

CuteOrangeElephant · 30/03/2023 19:45

@Dinosauratemydaffodils you will be absolutely fine if you act normally. It's not Brits they don't want, it's too many Brits on an out-of-control stag do.

Dovet · 30/03/2023 19:46

I found it an absolute hovel to be honest and wouldn’t go back.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 30/03/2023 20:02

shouldhavetakenmorenotice · 30/03/2023 07:20

Very much agree with this article; sadly, the Dutch have allowed extreme liberalism to spead like a disease, and like many extreme positions it's predictably not ended well

CuteOrangeElephant · 30/03/2023 20:23

In the article it says that the mayor of Amsterdam is very pro full legalisation. It's the 'gedoogbeleid' that is the problem here.

Throwncrumbs · 30/03/2023 20:28

Went once, the streets stank of piss from the pop up urinals everywhere, and don’t get me started on the red light area and the stink of cannabis ….they have a bigger problem than drunk brits imo

mathanxiety · 30/03/2023 20:30

elgreco · 30/03/2023 07:07

I agree with those suggesting advertising women for sale and expecting decent males only to turn up is fucking absurd.

But men of other nationalities are not the ones falling about drunk, pissing, pooping, and vomiting in the streets, singing and chanting obnoxiously, and messing with other people.

Two of my DDs (American) were in Amsterdam last summer and couldn't believe what they were seeing and hearing. There were groups of Germans, Belgians, Swedes, Americans, Australians, and others there, but it was the Brits who caused problems, and they do it in other European cities too, where there are drug cafes or wide open red light scene. British stag parties were banned from Temple Bar in Dublin a few years ago, and I know Prague got sick to the back teeth of the mayhem as well.

Endlesssummer2022 · 30/03/2023 20:44

Choconut · 30/03/2023 13:41

It's just pointless really, like the people who go there for sex and drugs are going to stop because an ad asks them to.

Besides The Netherlands have far, far bigger problems that they need to tackle.

There is a huge problem with synthetic drugs being produced there - Dutch Minister of Justice and Security, Ferdinand Grapperhaus, publicly stated in 2020 that “The Netherlands is at risk of becoming a narco state." In Amsterdam Red light district businesses are part of criminal networks, money is laundered, some of the women are trafficked and there are drug cartels involved.

Trying to say Brits coming to Amsterdam for drugs and sex are their big problem is a just deflection. They need to clean their country up from the criminals that are making billions (apparently 16 billion a year 'washes around the country'in dodgy money).

It’s been a narco state since the 60s. They manufactured industrial quantities of LSD since the 60s. Then weed. In the 80s and 90s in was the place every high level drug lord went to get the Es that would be shipped back to the UK. The Dutch aren’t innocent fawns when it comes to serious drug trafficking, never have been.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 30/03/2023 20:50

In the article it says that the mayor of Amsterdam is very pro full legalisation. It's the 'gedoogbeleid' that is the problem here

Absolutely

It's within their own remit to sort the problems they've largely created for themselves, but of course it's SO convenient to blame "someone else" as a deflection

OldHouseLover · 30/03/2023 23:48

This thread makes a fascinating read. I know there's no voting enabled but it feels like the majority feeling is British tourists are not the problem ...Amsterdam is a grotty sithole & have created this entire problem themselves & are now looking to pin the blame elsewhere?

We have a friend who lived there & we visited many times over the years & ine always loved it as a city to visit. I was last there in 2019 & very much enjoyed thar trip. I don't smoke & we never went neat the RLD. We visited galleries & shopped off Princengacht, we had drinks in the Pulitzer & stayed in an amazing town house nearby & ate in a fabulous restaurant.. my experience seems at odds with many peoples perceptions on here. I would go back tomorrow in a heartbeat & we're planning a trip in the coming months

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Confusion101 · 30/03/2023 23:49

@OldHouseLover i would love to know how many people here have been to Amsterdam. I've been a few times and have loved it every time. I have visited the red light district, learned about the history of it, etc. I m think it's hilarious some people are asking a city steeped in history to change their culture instead of asking men to do better!

OldHouseLover · 31/03/2023 00:01

I totally agree @Confusion101 its v strange! Amsterdam is a fabulous city

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whumpthereitis · 31/03/2023 00:43

Puzzledandpissedoff · 30/03/2023 20:50

In the article it says that the mayor of Amsterdam is very pro full legalisation. It's the 'gedoogbeleid' that is the problem here

Absolutely

It's within their own remit to sort the problems they've largely created for themselves, but of course it's SO convenient to blame "someone else" as a deflection

It seems they’re blaming people for their own behaviour. Lots of people visit Amsterdam because of the liberal policy in the Netherlands, but clearly the behaviour observed in predominantly the British isn’t considered normal.

Fifi1010 · 31/03/2023 01:27

LindyLou2020 · 30/03/2023 18:01

I think there have been enough comments on here from PPs who can corroborate that drunken Brits abroad, (and in the UK as well), do seem to behave much worse than other nationalities.
But my first post asked........why is this?
Is it in our DNA?
Is it a "class" thing?
Do we have any sociologists or whatever on here who can explain this?

It's repression and being told to have a stiff upper lip so the drink brings out the letting loose. How many conversations aren't suitable sober but are when you have had a couple of drinks ? Russians are even more rowdy when I've been away and they have an even stronger stiffer lip mentality.

DdraigGoch · 31/03/2023 02:06

Brefugee · 30/03/2023 12:02

There's a Sex Workers Union in the UK too - doesn't stop them being raped, beaten, degraded.

but it's still illegal in the UK isn't it? It's not called the oldest profession for nothing, is it? At least where it is legal there is a chance that at least some of the women will have health insurance and pensions (Germany) and a health certificate to be able to work in the regulated establishments (pretty much like a food hygiene certificate for a chef)

I'm not a fan of prostitution, but i'm not daft. I would rather that if we have prostitution that there is at least some effort to make it at least a little less awful for at least some of the people involved.

The sheer arrogance of people saying "well Amsterdam shouldn't have prostitutes or coffee shops" is staggering. Spain is starting to tackle the issue of drunken hoardes, and it's several years since the mayor of Prague literally asked the Brits to stay away (and afaik it is difficult to make stag/hen party bookings there even now)

And sure, other nationalities are an issue. But i trust the the Mayor or Prague or Amsterdam or Mallorca or wherever to make their own judgement calls.

If you think that the women in German brothels are proper employees, there of their own free will then you are very much mistaken. I've come across tales of women from Eastern Europe who had their passports taken to dissuade them from escaping. The solution is to target the punters.

GingerScallop · 31/03/2023 02:42

DobbyTheHouseElk · 30/03/2023 07:09

Yesterday on Jeremy Vine radio show, a woman rang in from Amsterdam. She had moved out of the city because of UK stag parties. She said people do visit the red light district but don’t usually behave like the stag parties. It’s more discreet, so makes you wonder.

She also said she had men putting their dicks through her letter box and she had enough.

So, yes I think UK stag parties probably are disrespectful.

I lived in the NL for 5 years and found that the Brits were worse for their behaviour around the red light district. Interesting health facilities in Amsterdam were also feeling the bite as there was a significant number of Brit males literally cracking their heads (falling off from multistorey buildings, being hit by tram etc) because they couldn't handle weed (most Dutch males don't go out to get high actually). Its interesting that parts of Spain, parts of Germany, and now the Netherlands have complained of rowdy British tourists. I have traveled a lot and worse tourists have always been Brits for general behaviour, and Aussies for better than thou behaviour

mathanxiety · 31/03/2023 04:44

Why are so many here trying to argue the bad behaviour of British men is thanks to the red light district and the availability of pot?

British stag groups are notorious all over Europe.

This Amsterdam problem has nothing to do with the quirks of the city itself. When cities all over Europe are banning British stags (and hens) you need to start looking at the behaviour and the culture that produces it.

There are videos all over the internet of scenes of public drunkenness and associated appalling behaviour in British cities, night after night. There are threads here about trains to avoid and days to steer clear of cities like York. Don't deny it.

But no, it's got to be something about Amsterdam. If only Amsterdam wasn't the way it is, none of this would happen. Pathetic.

mathanxiety · 31/03/2023 04:54

AdamRyan · 30/03/2023 11:43

Men literally piss wherever they like when they are drunk. Can't get too aerated about a drunk woman doing it when there are whole streets in town centres smelling like urinals because of men

Do you accept this as normal? Is this normal in Britain? There are British town centres that smell like urinals?

Because I think this is what Amsterdam finds unacceptable.

Sleepyandconfused · 31/03/2023 04:55

BulldogSpirit · 30/03/2023 06:36

I read they are targeting Brits first as obviously we make up the larger proportion of the stag tourists, but will then turn their attention to other EU nations.

However, who are they trying to attract with their women in windows and drug cafes? Families? Boomers with lots of dosh? Honeymooners?

They built the city on sex and drugs and now they complain. They need to 'ave a word with themselves😂

😂😂😂 this

PoppyCocky · 31/03/2023 05:13

The best thing about Amsterdam is the legal drugs.

BetsyTrotter · 31/03/2023 05:24

The problem with Brits is the drinking. Not saying other countries don't but we never celebrate anything without alcohol.

snitzelvoncrumb · 31/03/2023 05:28

LunaNorth · 30/03/2023 07:26

How’s that going to work?

’Let’s go to Amsterdam on holiday! LADS LADS LADS!’

’Oh, hang on Gary, I’ve just seen an advert saying ‘stay away’ ‘

’Oh. Let’s go to Florence for some culture then.’

Love it.

massivenamechnage · 31/03/2023 07:04

MarquessofPembroke · 30/03/2023 08:44

a lady dropping her knickers in the street for a piss. We’re a classy nation!

oh give over. How many British women would ever do that?

You must live a very sheltered life!
Leeds, York or Harrogate on a Saturday evening in the summer you will see this

York on races day-seen both peeing and pooing by a group of women walking back into town.

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