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To think that a three year jail sentence is unreasonable for the disabled pedestrian who was found guilty of causing the death of a cyclist

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DotAndCarryOne2 · 26/03/2023 20:30

The Sunday Times and The Guardian carried this story earlier this month and again today, as did GB News. Link is below. I just find it unbelievable that so much relevant information about this lady’s disability was either ignored or dismissed by the judge, and that she didn’t have adequate representation at sentencing.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjj6omaqvr9AhWJbcAKHVv9DMkQFnoECAkQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk%2Fhome-news%2Fcyclist-manslaughter-auriol-grey-cambridgeshire-b2294507.html&usg=AOvVaw1yOHhh6F4zfEel6m4EMYpL

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjj6omaqvr9AhWJbcAKHVv9DMkQFnoECAkQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk%2Fhome-news%2Fcyclist-manslaughter-auriol-grey-cambridgeshire-b2294507.html&usg=AOvVaw1yOHhh6F4zfEel6m4EMYpL

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Bagwyllydiart · 27/03/2023 07:15

Why should she be punished for the death of someone committing an illegal act? (Riding on the pavement)

Emigratingimmigrant · 27/03/2023 07:17

Bagwyllydiart · 27/03/2023 07:15

Why should she be punished for the death of someone committing an illegal act? (Riding on the pavement)

Because it's not the Purge!

ReneBumsWombats · 27/03/2023 07:32

Bagwyllydiart · 27/03/2023 07:15

Why should she be punished for the death of someone committing an illegal act? (Riding on the pavement)

Because a) she did have the right to be on the pavement and b) even if she hadn't, that doesn't make it legal to kill her.

MathsNervous · 27/03/2023 07:32

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 26/03/2023 22:36

Do people on bikes on pavements deserve to die?

This poster pops up on most of the popular threads and posts controversial opinions usually. Don't fall for this.

DaveyJonesLocker · 27/03/2023 07:35

She pushed an old woman under a car and walked off. She didn't give a shit about what she'd done. I think it's disgraceful she only got 3 years.

So what the woman wasn't meant be cycling on the path. She doesn't deserve to be killed for it.

If it was a teenaged lad that pushed her you'd want him imprisoned for life.

Stugs · 27/03/2023 07:37

MetalFences · 26/03/2023 20:50

Entitled to be cycling on the pavement ? Neither the police or the local council can find anything to support the judges’ assertion that it was a shared pavement.

I've got the day off tomorrow so if you like I could come over and spend the day with you. If you do anything that may or may not be legal or that I find annoying I'll just murder you.

Then I'll go for some fish fingers and a tin of custard.

Sorry but this made me lol

ArdeteiMasazxu · 27/03/2023 07:44

DotAndCarryOne2 · 26/03/2023 20:44

Entitled to be cycling on the pavement ? Neither the police or the local council can find anything to support the judges’ assertion that it was a shared pavement.

I had a good look around on streetview in the vicinity. I found a couple of "shared cycle and footpath" signs in the area along that road but no paint markings to show when such sharing was supposed to start and end. the local council shares some responsibility for not making safe and clearly signed provisions for cyclists here which is why such a light sentence for causing someone's death isn't hugely unreasonable. the council's failure doesn't excuse the woman's behaviour and neither does her disability. 3 years is about right.

cushioncovers · 27/03/2023 07:46

She deserves to be in prison. Nasty bad tempered woman.

Climbles · 27/03/2023 07:46

40% of mumsnet agree with the OP but interestingly this is not his the thread reads. I feel jail is inappropriate. Couldn’t she just have a support work with her when she goes out? What is jail going to achieve?

Stugs · 27/03/2023 07:48

She murdered someone. In cold blood. I think three years is lenient so clearly her disability WAS taken into account.

SofiaSoFar · 27/03/2023 07:48

Mariposista · 27/03/2023 00:45

She will have 3 years to reflect on how being gobby and bad tempered gets you nowhere (or at least nowhere good).
That poor lady’s family have a lifetime of missing her.

Indeed.

And 3 years is nowhere near enough. 10 would be somewhere nearer to appropriate.

Human lives aren't worth a lot these days, it seems.

CuriouslyDifferent · 27/03/2023 07:48

Watched the video - it’s worse than generally described. She doesn’t just raise her arm and shout, she moves towards the cyclist too. Watch the feet position.

should she be in prison - don’t know - but she shouldn’t be free to walk around, clearly a menace to anyone that breaks her moral compass. My fear would be that if her disabilities are so severe, she shouldn’t be allowed out in public ever, next time what if it’s a jogger??? Noisy kids??? So if she doesn’t do the three years (or 18 months) it’s life in a secure unit somewhere.

ArdeteiMasazxu · 27/03/2023 07:51

Bagwyllydiart · 27/03/2023 07:15

Why should she be punished for the death of someone committing an illegal act? (Riding on the pavement)

are you advocating the death sentence should be restored and applied specifically to pavement cyclists? Is death really the appropriate response? There's a "shared cycle path" blue sign elsewhere on that road - not immediately on that specific stretch of pavement but no paint markings to say such sharing was supposed to end - it was shown at the trial that it was somewhat ambiguous whether or not that stretch was supposed to be shared but even if it wasn't, killing the cyclist isn't the appropriate response.

MichelleScarn · 27/03/2023 07:53

Climbles · 27/03/2023 07:46

40% of mumsnet agree with the OP but interestingly this is not his the thread reads. I feel jail is inappropriate. Couldn’t she just have a support work with her when she goes out? What is jail going to achieve?

Not my field, but if the consensus which her supporters have is that she doesn't understand its not OK to push someone in front of a car, causing their death, a single support worker wouldn't be enough? She'd need at least 2 to be able to physically restrain her in case she felt the urge to do so again, so probably a 3 to 1 setting to cover if one worker had to step away for the loo, or anything else. That is of course if we're going by the wide eyed new news 'she just doesn't know why she's in prison or what she's done wrong' crap.

Eleganz · 27/03/2023 08:00

It's interesting how some people think the justice system works in this country. The police and council could not provide categorical evidence either way about the status of the path and therefore the judge made a judgement based presumably on a test of reasonableness that it was a shared pathway for pedestrians and cyclists. The idea that the judge ignored the evidence from anyone on this is ridiculous.

The video and testimony from the woman establish that she a) distracted the cyclist, b) moved into her path, c) made contact with her and d) offered no help, did not raise the alarm and showed no remorse. Yes, she has disabilities but it was clear that she knew exactly what she was doing. As she obviously did not intend to kill the cyclist it is manslaughter with typical sentences from 2-10 years. So she gets a relatively light sentence and I suspect that a custodial sentence was given because of her behaviour and attitude after the incident.

We've had multiple threads on this here and it seems that some people believe that if they keep asking the same question they will get a different answer. I suspect this is because there are a number of people who think that behaving like a rude, aggressive and careless dickhead is acceptable behaviour and there should be no consequences for this causing the death of an innocent person.

VictorianBathroomTiles · 27/03/2023 08:02

QuintanaRoo · 26/03/2023 20:40

She didn’t panic, she was a bad tempered woman who purposefully moved towards the cyclist while waving her arms and swearing aggressively at an elderly cyclist who was entitled to be cycling there.

How to let someone know you’ve never worked in the field of adult learning disability without actually saying you’ve never worked in the field of adult learning disability. Sad

Forfrigz · 27/03/2023 08:03

I'm sorry but if you cause someone's death while on an aggressive rampage the courts are going to come down on you hard no matter who you are. She should get longer in my opinion

Ktime · 27/03/2023 08:09

CuriouslyDifferent · 27/03/2023 07:48

Watched the video - it’s worse than generally described. She doesn’t just raise her arm and shout, she moves towards the cyclist too. Watch the feet position.

should she be in prison - don’t know - but she shouldn’t be free to walk around, clearly a menace to anyone that breaks her moral compass. My fear would be that if her disabilities are so severe, she shouldn’t be allowed out in public ever, next time what if it’s a jogger??? Noisy kids??? So if she doesn’t do the three years (or 18 months) it’s life in a secure unit somewhere.

Something tells me she won’t pull a stunt like this again.

Someone who can leave the scene of the crime, lie to police, be evasive and express no regret has enough cognitive ability to realise she was jailed for her aggressive actions and if she does it again she can kiss freedom goodbye.

Blossomtoes · 27/03/2023 08:31

Bagwyllydiart · 27/03/2023 07:15

Why should she be punished for the death of someone committing an illegal act? (Riding on the pavement)

Because it’s a shared pathway.

To think that a three year jail sentence is unreasonable  for the disabled pedestrian who was found guilty of causing the death of a cyclist
CuriouslyDifferent · 27/03/2023 08:40

Ktime · 27/03/2023 08:09

Something tells me she won’t pull a stunt like this again.

Someone who can leave the scene of the crime, lie to police, be evasive and express no regret has enough cognitive ability to realise she was jailed for her aggressive actions and if she does it again she can kiss freedom goodbye.

Isn’t the argument for her release is that the judge didn’t understand her capability and cognitive abilities. she can’t have it both ways, if she is cognitive enough to understand her actions and right from wrong, it’s prison, is she isn’t and someone dies, it’s another form of secure unit that can keep her safe from hurting others, possibly for life.

I think you are right though - subsequent actions you highlight, show more than enough cognition to me.

Stugs · 27/03/2023 08:42

VictorianBathroomTiles · 27/03/2023 08:02

How to let someone know you’ve never worked in the field of adult learning disability without actually saying you’ve never worked in the field of adult learning disability. Sad

I'd imagine the vast majority of people in this thread have never worked with adults with learning disabilities. Not sure why that's even relevant, unless you think you know more than the judge?

premicrois · 27/03/2023 08:47

Bagwyllydiart · 27/03/2023 07:15

Why should she be punished for the death of someone committing an illegal act? (Riding on the pavement)

Because she caused their death? Killed them?

MichelleScarn · 27/03/2023 08:48

@Blossomtoes awaiting for someone to pop on and accuse you of putting them up this morning again.. despite the fact that you LIVE there and know the area and road, randoms miles away know better remember....

ReneBumsWombats · 27/03/2023 08:49

Stugs · 27/03/2023 07:48

She murdered someone. In cold blood. I think three years is lenient so clearly her disability WAS taken into account.

She murdered someone. In cold blood.

No, she didn't.

Blossomtoes · 27/03/2023 08:52

MichelleScarn · 27/03/2023 08:48

@Blossomtoes awaiting for someone to pop on and accuse you of putting them up this morning again.. despite the fact that you LIVE there and know the area and road, randoms miles away know better remember....

I know. The insistence on being right despite evidence to the contrary is mystifying.