To think that a three year jail sentence is unreasonable for the disabled pedestrian who was found guilty of causing the death of a cyclist

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The Sunday Times and The Guardian carried this story earlier this month and again today, as did GB News. Link is below. I just find it unbelievable that so much relevant information about this lady’s disability was either ignored or dismissed by the judge, and that she didn’t have adequate representation at sentencing.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjj6omaqvr9AhWJbcAKHVv9DMkQFnoECAkQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk%2Fhome-news%2Fcyclist-manslaughter-auriol-grey-cambridgeshire-b2294507.html&usg=AOvVaw1yOHhh6F4zfEel6m4EMYpL

Well, she absolutely did, even if it's reduced to manslaughter. She killed someone.

I agree with PP that if this had been a young black teen people would have been baying for his blood.

OP seems to feel that AG has been “failed by multiple agencies” and should have been locked away for life pre-emptively on the basis of the combination of cerebral palsy and previous aggressive shouting in public.

I’ve read back through the OPs posts and absolutely nowhere did they say that this woman should be locked away because of her disability - people are just making things up now. The OP had several issues with the process I think, and seemed to be saying that procedures for dealing with vulnerable people weren’t followed, as well as evidence not being properly considered.

The last sentence makes it clear that it’s’ poking fun at mental health issues. Why would you find that funny ?

Because I'm not a completely po-faced humourless bastard and sometimes find things blackly funny?

Don't even go there. I know for sure that some of the replies would have been a lot more vicious in their content.

Fair enough, I didn’t read anywhere that she actually pushed the cyclist. Now that was extremely unnecessary.

Where did you read that the driver’s marriage has broken down? 3 years is crazy considering that she’ll probably serve half of that time. I had no clue that she actually pushed her

Grey was in a long term care unit run by Papworth trust, until someone decided she could live alone in a flat, also provided by the trust. Doesn’t appear they put much thought into the decision given that from that point on she was left to her own devices and became known to the police. How hard would it have been for the police to follow procedure once they became aware she was known to the various agencies involved. If they had, she may have been moved back into supervised care and properly supported. Can you really not see the failure of safeguarding here ?

Why do black people always get brought into silly little comparisons unprovoked? Use something else as an example ffs

OK - or a young working class white boy

It was widely reported. Just one report here. Google Carla Money for more.

Poor woman.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1742167/cyclist-death-manslaughter-Carla-Money-speaks-Huntingdon-Auriol-Grey-Celia-Ward

OP, are you seriously suggesting that having disabilities is a get out of jail free card for murder?

I read the Times article and it did make me question my previous views on this. First and foremost my sympathy is with the lady who died, her family and the poor driver of the car. The driver is said to have suffered horrific PTSD that has led to the breakdown of her marriage.

From the account in the Times though, it seems quite clear this lady had significant cognitive impairments. She was not just bad tempered and difficult. When her sibling died (quite suddenly of cancer) - the family struggled with her lack of of emotion at the death. They are supporting her in the appeal. The KC is now acting pro bono - I doubt she would be doing this unless she thought the outcome unfair.

I don't know really - incredibly tragic. The video is harrowing - you want to step into the scene grab her arm and pull her back from the road. Is a difficult case - I would find it incredibly difficult to find any sympathy if she had pushed my mother into the road.

The family who didn’t even know this had happened until the media told them about it?

Think the OP has long gone, but if you had RTFT you’d see that that question has been asked, debated and answered ad nauseam. And the charge was manslaughter.

I have to wonder though, if this was a non-white man (with cognitive disabilities) who habitually wandered the streets being aggressive to pedestrians and cyclists - the book would have been thrown at him and he would have had a much more severe sentence.

That’s right. Because despite eventually realising that they had a vulnerable adult in custody (as evidenced by the appointment of an appropriate adult for subsequent interviews) the police didn’t inform the family. They found out when a reporter knocked on their door for comment when the story broke.

Firstly, no one is claiming it was murder. Secondly that is not what she is saying and she has repeatedly said that RTFT.

Which would still be wrong if the authorities charged with safeguarding had made the same failings as they did with Grey. Why do people feel the need to make comparisons like this, it’s nonsense.

The apologists on this thread who seek to shift blame onto anyone else - social care, the charitable trust who provided housing - ^ anyone rather than AG herself, are disgusting. ^
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Yes, we're all aware AG has a disability. But the judge and jury had access to all reports and evidence (and her defence team would have absolutely tried to maximise the extent of her disability!) and the verdict is that she is guilty of unlawfully killing another person.

The only way of being certain AG wouldn't do what she did would have been if she was already incarcerated somewhere 24/7. Or had a 24/7 escort to restrain her. Either of which is entirely inappropriate for someone who was capable of getting around independently and doing her own shopping. And you can bet your life the people on here defending her would be the first to shriek that it would be an infringement of her human rights if she had been kept away from society.

It's clear from the reported evidence that AG is an aggressive liar. She lied in police interviews, claiming she only said 'slow down' and denying having contact with the cyclist until the cctv proved otherwise. If you watch the interview, when the police officer asks her 'what did you mean by 'get off the fucking pavement' she claimed not to know. If you watch the cctv footage it's also clear that AG moved towards the cyclist - this was not about trying to avoid them but deliberately aggressively assaulting them by threatening words and physical contact.

AG may well have impaired executive functioning but that doesn't mean she can't also be a vile aggressive person. Just as people with no cognitive impairments can be pleasant law abiding people or nasty aggressive people.

AG will probably serve about 18 months and will only be around 50 when she gets out. Yes, she probably will get a tough time in prison, and in her subsequent life out of prison too now that she's widely known to be a nasty aggressor who has unlawfully killed someone. My sympathies lie entirely with the victim of her crime and the poor car driver whose life has been horribly damaged by this incident too.^

I completely agree and statistics would back up your assertion that a non-white male would be more severely punished, on average, for pretty much any crime.

If Grey shouldn't be in prison for her appalling actions, she should definitely be permanently held in a secure unit somewhere. No way should she be on the streets again in 18 months.

I wonder would OP have been so understanding if it was her own Mother who was pushed in to the road 🤔

But isn’t that what those agencies are there for ? To risk assess and try to prevent events such as these ? Otherwise what’s the point of them?

No. they risk assess to support people. Adult social care is not about crime prevention for everyone. HOW could anyone possibly have foreseen and prevented this?!

I hadn’t read that article until I saw your post, but I’m wondering if it’s the same one quoted by the OP - although they didn’t provide a link. It was a balanced article and provided a lot more background information, as well as insight into the judge’s decision and the subsequent preparation for appeal. Very different from some of the tabloid articles which I think a few people on here have read and accepted as fact - an example being that despite posters being convinced Ward was pushed, the video evidence was not considered as conclusive evidence that contact was even made, let alone involved pushing.

Another is that she left the scene - the Mirror reported that she left Ward to die in the road and went on with her day. In fact, she stayed at the scene while the emergency services were called, but a bystander led her away before police arrived. The police tried to use the fact that she left the scene and finished her chores as lack of remorse, but later clarified that she hadn’t left voluntarily. Grey was initially interviewed alone but provided with an appropriate adult once police realised she had cognitive issues, and yet the Judge refused to accept that there were any such issues. It can’t be both. And because she couldn’t quote word for word what she had shouted at Ward, that was interpreted and reported s lying to the police, even though Grey didn’t dispute her actions when shown the video.

The Times article is lengthy but I do recommend people read it because it highlights a number of failings in the system, inconsistencies in the consideration of medical evidence, and casts doubt on the safety of the conviction. It also questions whether a prison sentence is in the public interest when medical health intervention may be more appropriate given Grey’s cognitive issues. And before I get jumped on, I’m not expressing any opinion, just putting it out there.

AG is alive. CW is dead because AG killed her.

But yes let's keep centring the survivor

I've said it before on the other thread, I know the driver and also the family through my family.
This woman is where she belongs. The impact she had losing her temper has devasted 2 families.
No excuses should be made.