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To think that a three year jail sentence is unreasonable for the disabled pedestrian who was found guilty of causing the death of a cyclist

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DotAndCarryOne2 · 26/03/2023 20:30

The Sunday Times and The Guardian carried this story earlier this month and again today, as did GB News. Link is below. I just find it unbelievable that so much relevant information about this lady’s disability was either ignored or dismissed by the judge, and that she didn’t have adequate representation at sentencing.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjj6omaqvr9AhWJbcAKHVv9DMkQFnoECAkQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk%2Fhome-news%2Fcyclist-manslaughter-auriol-grey-cambridgeshire-b2294507.html&usg=AOvVaw1yOHhh6F4zfEel6m4EMYpL

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjj6omaqvr9AhWJbcAKHVv9DMkQFnoECAkQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk%2Fhome-news%2Fcyclist-manslaughter-auriol-grey-cambridgeshire-b2294507.html&usg=AOvVaw1yOHhh6F4zfEel6m4EMYpL

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QuintanaRoo · 26/03/2023 20:58

DotAndCarryOne2 · 26/03/2023 20:44

Entitled to be cycling on the pavement ? Neither the police or the local council can find anything to support the judges’ assertion that it was a shared pavement.

That’s not true. The co7ncil and police said they can’t find any evidence it’s not a shared path. So depends which way you look at it I guess. Nobody knows for sure.

but on a previous thread locals said it’s commonly used as a shared path and just slightly further up the path there are signs saying it’s a shared path. Then there is a side street crossing and what isn’t clear is does the cycle path end or continue….no signs either way but the council said in the absence of a “cycle path ends” sign (which is needed btw at the end of a cycle path)it’s reasonable for people to think it is still a shared path.

ComtesseDeSpair · 26/03/2023 20:58

Several articles I’ve read about her have received comments from people saying that she was well known in their local area for antisocial and aggressive behaviour towards cyclists and other pedestrians, including children, if she wanted them to get out of her way; and had been warned over the behaviour by the police before. If that’s true, and there seems a lot of likelihood it is, she certainly isn’t the poor frightened disabled woman acting in self defence that some would like her to be.

freyamay74 · 26/03/2023 20:59

Vile woman, the only thing that's unreasonable is that she's only got 3 years. She moved towards the cyclist, swore and shouted aggressively at her and then made physical contact. She was also dishonest in her police interviews and presumably only admitted that she'd made contact with the cyclist when she realised it was caught on cctv and couldn't lie any more.

She'll only be banged up for about 18 months anyway, though hopefully that'll be long enough to scare the shit out of her.

HappiestSleeping · 26/03/2023 20:59

QuintanaRoo · 26/03/2023 20:40

She didn’t panic, she was a bad tempered woman who purposefully moved towards the cyclist while waving her arms and swearing aggressively at an elderly cyclist who was entitled to be cycling there.

And lied about it afterwards too.

Deserves what she got I think.

premicrois · 26/03/2023 21:00

Is it just because she is disabled you think she shouldn't be punished for killing someone, or do you have any other reason?

drpet49 · 26/03/2023 21:01

MichelleScarn · 26/03/2023 20:55

I honestly don't understand the desperation to have sympathy for this woman! Her purposeful actions resulted in the death of another person!!

This. It is all quite sinister.

SunshineGeorgie · 26/03/2023 21:02

Where's the op gone??

DotAndCarryOne2 · 26/03/2023 21:04

QuillBill · 26/03/2023 20:43

She pushed a woman into the path of an oncoming car and killed her.

I thought the judge had said that she didn't have cognitive issues or a learning disability.

He did, and there is now an appeal underway based on the fact that he ignored medical evidence which was in front of him. Ms Grey was deprived of oxygen at birth resulting in serious brain injury following multiple surgeries, epilepsy, cerebral palsy, learning difficulties and cognition issues. She also has mobility problems, walks with a calliper, and is partially blind. There is also no evidence to support the accusation that the cyclist was pushed. Ms Grey shouted at her to get off the pavement and gesticulated, but video evidence apparently showed that she did not touch the cyclist, whose judgement was called into question by the defence for not dismounting and walking the bike, instead of trying to cycle around her.

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EnjoyingTheSilence · 26/03/2023 21:04

Were you in the courtroom? Have you seen and heard all the evidence?

Let’s not forget the victim in all this. And the driver of the car.

Vallmo47 · 26/03/2023 21:05

I wonder if you’d feel like that if it was your close relative who died Op….

DotAndCarryOne2 · 26/03/2023 21:06

QuintanaRoo · 26/03/2023 20:58

That’s not true. The co7ncil and police said they can’t find any evidence it’s not a shared path. So depends which way you look at it I guess. Nobody knows for sure.

but on a previous thread locals said it’s commonly used as a shared path and just slightly further up the path there are signs saying it’s a shared path. Then there is a side street crossing and what isn’t clear is does the cycle path end or continue….no signs either way but the council said in the absence of a “cycle path ends” sign (which is needed btw at the end of a cycle path)it’s reasonable for people to think it is still a shared path.

Shared paths are 3m wide. Evidence presented at court stated that the stretch of pavement where this occurred was only 2.4m wide.

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PinkiOcelot · 26/03/2023 21:06

She killed an elderly lady. She deserves the 3 years. Should have been more.

SunshineGeorgie · 26/03/2023 21:08

She had a top legal team so why did they not speak out like the court of mumsnet is 'trying' to???

SpinningFloppa · 26/03/2023 21:09

I think she should have got longer tbh

MrsDoylesDoily · 26/03/2023 21:09

DotAndCarryOne2 · 26/03/2023 20:39

So you think that despite being partially blind, having cerebral palsy and cognitive and learning disabilities, she should be imprisoned for panicking at the sight of someone riding a bike in her impaired line of sight ? And you’re OK with relevant evidence being overlooked and ignored because the judge either didn’t understand the implications of her disability or didn’t care ?

And you’re OK with relevant evidence being overlooked and ignored because the judge either didn’t understand the implications of her disability or didn’t care?

And what qualifies you to decide that was the case?

MarshaBradyo · 26/03/2023 21:10

MrsDoylesDoily · 26/03/2023 21:09

And you’re OK with relevant evidence being overlooked and ignored because the judge either didn’t understand the implications of her disability or didn’t care?

And what qualifies you to decide that was the case?

I’m wondering too.

DotAndCarryOne2 · 26/03/2023 21:10

Clusterfunk · 26/03/2023 20:49

Oh well that makes it ok then. Naughty elderly cyclist on the pavement, obviously deserved to be pushed in front of a car 🙄

So being 77 is enough to exonerate the cyclist for riding on the pavement, but substantial brain injury resulting in partial blindness, mobility issues and cognitive difficulties are no defence for the defendant.

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SunshineGeorgie · 26/03/2023 21:12

She had a top legal team though....the disability excuse was scrutinised

QuillBill · 26/03/2023 21:12

I could not give a hoot is shared paths are 3m wide or not. I think its utterly irrelevant whether the bike was allowed there or not.

I'll reserve my judgement on the medical evidence as it's not in the public domain.

Her body and sight seemed to be just fine in the video.

MichelleScarn · 26/03/2023 21:12

Guessing you were on the previous threads op?.

MetalFences · 26/03/2023 21:13

SpinningFloppa · 26/03/2023 21:09

I think she should have got longer tbh

So do I. Can she be given a longer sentence on appeal?

MarshaBradyo · 26/03/2023 21:15

MichelleScarn · 26/03/2023 20:55

I honestly don't understand the desperation to have sympathy for this woman! Her purposeful actions resulted in the death of another person!!

Me too

DotAndCarryOne2 · 26/03/2023 21:16

MarshaBradyo · 26/03/2023 21:10

I’m wondering too.

Absolutely not saying I’m qualified for anything of the sort. Going on what was reported in the Sunday Times today. And the story they are carrying bears no resemblance to what’s being quoted here. There is an appeal being prepared based on the fact that the judge ignored or overlooked evidence of severe cognitive disability and lives in a supported living facility.

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ExpatInSlavikLand · 26/03/2023 21:16

Are you related to the pedestrian in question, OP? I'm only asking because you seem to be awfully invested in this case and are showing a surprising lack of concern and sympathy for the real victims in this whole horrendous saga.

pinksheetss · 26/03/2023 21:17

Did you watch the video OP?
Not sure how you think the cyclist had time to dismount and walk plus she didn't 'cycle round her' she was pushed (as seen in the video and admitted to by the woman)

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