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To not be over what happened to me during covid/lockdowns

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ifyougochasingrabbits · 24/03/2023 09:21

Just a few of the things I went through

Losing my cleaning business i had built up over years overnight due to everyone cancelling us

Being humiliated by the headteacher at DC school shouting at me in front of other parents because I refused to wear a mask outside . My little girl being made to start school late and finish late because I was unable to wear a mask to collect her (school run was all outside I may add and I had no problem wearing masks in shops etc but I drew the line at in the fresh air outside)

watching thousands of pounds of income disappear at an alarming rate. while wondering if we’d still have jobs and be able to keep the house we’d worked our arses off for for years to buy. Going through six months of trauma with H furloughed and depressed because his work could not guarantee he'd still have a job at the end of it. He was on half pay as furlough was only paid up to about 30k salary iirc and if you were on more it was employers discretion to pay the full salary which his work didn't. He was even applying for jobs at supermarkets and delivery driving etc and getting no where despite having a high level job at a major house builder.

Watching selfish morons stockpiling at the very beginning

“Friends” dumping me, one Cos I dared voice out loud that I wasn’t personally scared of covid and was struggling with restrictions and did not agree with them.

Having to deal with the fact that many of my (remaining) friends had views I completely don’t agree with and accepting they probably feel same about me.
And having to cope with the fact they supported restrictions that were destroying our lives and mental health

Having my business absolutely trashed all over social media and being called a dirty bitch and worse by local people. Fake bad reviews etc. The “reason” was they took exception to me saying on a local page post that I didn't believe in masks in school (this was due to my kids really struggling with them) My 14 year old said he agreed and some of them then found him on fb and messaged him insulted his looks and called him stupid and a fucking moron etc. This was actual grown adults.

a random person inboxed me on Facebook due to seeing my business ad and threatened to "smash my face in" because she thinks i was “endangering lives” by working

My neighbour reporting us to the police for having an illegal gathering. This "illegal gathering" was me, my H and our 3 dc having a bbq in the garden. Needless to say we all live together

Being put on medication for panic attacks and anxiety in fact I minimised it to the gp. I was actually suicidal and the only reason I am still here is because of my kids and the fact my husband and parents had the same views as me. But I would secretly hope to die in my sleep and almost every day I would wake up and cry because I was still here.

Watching my 3 Kids completely fall apart due to schools being closed. While not only having to deal with seeing posts all over fb about how well other kids were doing and coping doing all their work, managing great. And knowing some people I care about actually wanted schools shut. One of my kids is still very unwell mentally and it all started with lockdowns

Oh and to add final insult to injury, in November 2021 I had to pay £5700 (which was part credit card and part all of our savings) privately for an operation that should have been freely available on the nhs. But cos covid they could not give me a date and I was getting more and more poorly and could not wait.

I am still angry and maybe I should get over it. But I can't. And There's probably more but these are the stand out moments. I'm doing okay now and I have a new business and I'm doing well, H has a new job as he could not trust his old place after covid. but I've been very low again recently with the anniversary of it all

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ifyougochasingrabbits · 26/03/2023 15:36

Teder · 26/03/2023 12:54

I don’t know if you wanted compassion or support but you don’t come across as compassionate to others. I appreciate it was a hard time for you but it seems like this thread was just an excuse to kick up an argument. Some of your woes are self inflicted. Losing a business is quite another matter and the economic impact of covid and the decisions made by our government will affect society for many years to come. I don’t think it should be ignored. I don’t think anyone should be struggling to “get over” arguments on social media. I managed not to have any arguments on social media even when I vehemently disagreed with various extreme views from both sides.

What I struggle with still is not so much "arguments on social media" 🙄

Even ignoring the bastard adults who abused my kid online for expressing his opinion (as at least that wasn't violent threats) I got an inbox from a complete random in response to a perfectly legitimate FB business ad when I was ALLOWED to work, threatening to smash my face in

When I looked on the profile the person was local to me. and quite honestly for a while I felt scared when I went out just in case cos people really were that bat shit crazy I would not put it past someone .

Is this okay ???? THIS HAPPENED and some people are ignoring / and / or minimising it as an "online argument" when it wasn't anything like that ????

Imagine seeing an ad on Facebook then inboxing the person threatening violence?? It's fucked 🤦‍♀️

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usedtobeasizeten · 26/03/2023 16:23

So pleased for you that you weren’t afraid of Covid! I’ll pass that along to my neighbor who lost his 40 year old wife, mother of 3 children who died at the start of the pandemic! He’ll be thrilled for you!

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 26/03/2023 16:34

Delatron · 26/03/2023 14:28

Yes children staying indoors for 6 weeks is what prevented the health system from collapsing. You think if they went outside to do some exercise then that would have spread Covid around? Wow. And that being inside ‘for only 6 weeks’ was fine? You do realise children here were allowed out to exercise? Do Spanish children spread Covid more? Don’t be so stupid.

Funny how the bodies didn’t pile up in Sweden.

The lack of critical thinking and blind acceptance on here is astounding.

Yep. And the total disregard for the sacrifices young people and children were forced to make to placate neurotic loons. Cannot believe that poster thinks children playing outside would ah e collapsed the Spanish health system. As I e said before, the powers that be must be seriously congratulating themselves

sleepwouldbenice · 26/03/2023 16:48

twelly · 26/03/2023 14:55

I stand by my view that children and the young were neglected - I worry about the long term impact, we have only in my just begun to see the impact on therm. Both thier physical and mental health suffered.
I am also sceptical about some of the issues around health care. The covid wards and maternity wards were busy but the hospitals were in general not busy other than emergencies. Of course we did not know at the beginning what was or what could happen but as time wore on it was in my view obvious that the restrictions were excessive. The second and third lockdowns were just a massive overreaction and society will be living with the impact of that for years.

Your comments about hospitals are absolute rubbish
The only areas which weren't busy were those that couldn't taken place effectively because of covid
You really have fallen for the lies
Children had some neglect
Like all of society
It was a pandemic

ifyougochasingrabbits · 26/03/2023 17:05

usedtobeasizeten · 26/03/2023 16:23

So pleased for you that you weren’t afraid of Covid! I’ll pass that along to my neighbor who lost his 40 year old wife, mother of 3 children who died at the start of the pandemic! He’ll be thrilled for you!

Sad and awful for all concerned that this happened and as I've said I am truly sorry for anyone who lost loved ones

but it still was very very rare to die of covid especially someone that young

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sleepwouldbenice · 26/03/2023 17:06

Jesus

They are on the Sweden argument now. Which didn't work that well in the longer term

Yet conveniently ignoring other countries and cities and what they went through

As well as its "only" a few elderly people that were vulnerable and died

And hospitals weren't that busy.....

Everyone suffered not just those in your tiny, inward looking world. We are all still suffering. It's crap. And yes mistakes were made and the govt were often incompetent

But it was a pandemic

iloveeverykindofcat · 26/03/2023 17:32

but it still was very very rare to die of covid especially someone that young

Statistically, yeah. Of course if the hospitals are overwhelmed by treating the elderly and vulnerable, you're still fucked if you need them. Or should hospitals only treat the young and healthy?

I appear to be immune to Covid. Despite several confirmed exposures, including before being vaccinated, I've never had any strain. I'm in my thirties female, and fit. I am very very much not scared of contracting the virus. As it happened, I was in an accident during the first lockdown. Woke up in hospital a few days later, rather battered but with all my vitals remarkably good, due to the very rapid attendance and prompt work of some available paramedics.

lieselotte · 26/03/2023 17:35

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Six weeks may not be a long time to you, it is a very long time for some people. It was a terrible thing to do to children (and adults come to that).

And come on, it wasn't anything to do with health, it was all to do with control. There was no need for such ludicrous restrictions and I am embarrassed for you that you try to (a) justify it and (b) try to make it sound like the rest of us are stupid. Other countries managed just fine without such rules, eg Germany. In fact most did, even if they had silly rules about not being allowed more than 1k from your home, at least you were allowed outside.

JenniferBooth · 26/03/2023 17:37

Some simple physics for you @pixie5121

It's that as we age, a year becomes a smaller fraction of our entire lives up to that point. A year for a 5-year-old is one fifth (or 20%) of their life so far, but a year to a 50-year old is one fiftieth of their life (or 2% of it) so it seems to pass ten times faster.

JenniferBooth · 26/03/2023 17:39

"Shortly after the Covid pandemic began, amid the lockdowns and incredibly novel experiences for everyone, I recall an internet meme of, “What a year this month has been.”

Barbie222 · 26/03/2023 17:46

I think it's time to move on OP and learn some lessons about when and where you publicly take a stand on things you seem to know little about.

sleepwouldbenice · 26/03/2023 17:53

Barbie222 · 26/03/2023 17:46

I think it's time to move on OP and learn some lessons about when and where you publicly take a stand on things you seem to know little about.

Exactly
But the OP has found her people
The ones who blame others and take little responsibility but think that means they are "critical thinkers"

sleepwouldbenice · 26/03/2023 18:01

JenniferBooth · 26/03/2023 17:37

Some simple physics for you @pixie5121

It's that as we age, a year becomes a smaller fraction of our entire lives up to that point. A year for a 5-year-old is one fifth (or 20%) of their life so far, but a year to a 50-year old is one fiftieth of their life (or 2% of it) so it seems to pass ten times faster.

Yep not physics...

Again, many children struggled, and for some, there were unthinkable consequences.

We are still dealing with those consequences, but I would say the proportion is small, and they have a lifetime ahead of them for us all to again support them through this, as a community.

But some children themselves were physically vulnerable or lived with those who were, or perhaps their teachers were. But sod them hey, they were dispensible.

OP if you are happy with the wider views of those who agree with you, then you've answered your own question

ifyougochasingrabbits · 26/03/2023 18:05

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WomblingTree86 · 26/03/2023 18:15

Are you sure that all your problems are down to lockdown? I'm sorry that you lost your cleaning business but even if there weren’t a forced lockdown and people were just told to be careful, I suspect they wouldn't have been employing cleaners much, especially as many high earning professional people would have chosen to work from home. Most of your other problems seem to stem from the fact that people don't like you very much, I'm afraid.

ifyougochasingrabbits · 26/03/2023 18:25

WomblingTree86 · 26/03/2023 18:15

Are you sure that all your problems are down to lockdown? I'm sorry that you lost your cleaning business but even if there weren’t a forced lockdown and people were just told to be careful, I suspect they wouldn't have been employing cleaners much, especially as many high earning professional people would have chosen to work from home. Most of your other problems seem to stem from the fact that people don't like you very much, I'm afraid.

Oh this explains it all - thank you so much it's all so clear now 👍🏻

So to be clear: hundreds of thousands of people all over the uk stockpiled stuff cos they didn't like me

And school said to everyone wear masks outside simply cos they didn't like me

And my husbands work furloughed him cos they didn't like me

And nosey neighbours (that none of us had even met) pretended to the police we were having a party cos they didn't like me

A random (I'd never met) threatened me with violence simply based on a business ad didn't like me

And people (I'd also never met) verbally abused my kid online -

It was ALL cos they didn't like me

Why oh why did I not realise any of this 3 years ago 🤦‍♀️

🤪🤪🤪🤪

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WomblingTree86 · 26/03/2023 18:33

ifyougochasingrabbits · 26/03/2023 18:25

Oh this explains it all - thank you so much it's all so clear now 👍🏻

So to be clear: hundreds of thousands of people all over the uk stockpiled stuff cos they didn't like me

And school said to everyone wear masks outside simply cos they didn't like me

And my husbands work furloughed him cos they didn't like me

And nosey neighbours (that none of us had even met) pretended to the police we were having a party cos they didn't like me

A random (I'd never met) threatened me with violence simply based on a business ad didn't like me

And people (I'd also never met) verbally abused my kid online -

It was ALL cos they didn't like me

Why oh why did I not realise any of this 3 years ago 🤦‍♀️

🤪🤪🤪🤪

Perhaps it is simplistic to say that people don't like you. A lot on that list and the fact that you have no friends suggests that you have a lot of problems with other people though. As the saying goes, if everyone around you is a problem, maybe you're the problem.

BustopherPonsonbyJones · 26/03/2023 18:33

YABU. I felt (and feel) incredibly angry with people who refused to wear masks and all of those who expected me - an unvaccinated teacher- to teach their children in full classrooms and with no mitigation against infection. Problem is no one cares about anyone else’s experience as it was rubbish for most of us in different ways - I would have loved to have been on furlough like your husband! So it is fine to feel sad or angry but understand no one is going to sympathise or care; therefore, the best move is to either move on or seek professional help if you really can’t cope with the memories. And by all means express your valid opinions but accept that other people’s valid opinions will be robust. My sympathies remain with those who have been left disabled or lost their lives.

Ludo19 · 26/03/2023 18:39

Comedycook · 24/03/2023 10:01

You only had to go along with wearing a mask outside though. What was the point on 'making a stand' like you did? Who did that benefit? What would it have changed

And here we see how things like nazi Germany happened. I'm a granddaughter of a holocaust survivors before you jump on me for that comment. Just do what you're told and don't question it is a terrifying way to live and you can sleepwalk into terrible things.

100%

RatesWillRise · 26/03/2023 18:40

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You aren’t coming across very well here.

It was terrible to threaten you with violence. Unacceptable. It was not nice of the shopkeeper to shout at your daughter. I abhor cyber bullying so the treatment of your son was dreadful. It’s all inexcusable.

It is also not particularly kind to mock those who were more scared than you. Who felt safer wearing masks. Get annoyed by the sanctimonious neighbour-reporters, yes. But some people saw the restrictions around the world and felt that they should comply and get on with life that way, wearing masks, going along with the rules for an ‘easier’ life, maybe a safer one. I don’t know why you need to call them all sheep and other names.

I did not agree with people at both extremes (not at all) but kept my mouth shut and my judgements to myself. Took a deep breath and kept quiet. Friendships intact. No regrets.

And remember, you don’t know everyone’s reasons. I wore a mask outside in August in Spain in august 2020. I thought it was ridiculous. Esp in 34C. But I went along with it as after six months working on the wards, and my kids stressed from homeschooling, I wanted a family holiday in the sun. Why does my mask wearing bother you quite so much?

adriftinadenofvipers · 26/03/2023 18:43

TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl · 25/03/2023 18:02

Why weren’t more people questioning this?

Some of us did. We got abuse for it. As did the OP.

Because it wasn't the time to be "questioning" anything. Nobody - not even those of you who think you were somehow superior and knew better - knew what the entire world was being faced with. Better to err on the side of caution, you know, the greater good of the greatest number.

And if you still can't see that you are truly beyond hope. Suck it up. Shit happens.

Funny, that you say you "got abuse for it". You wanted to 'question' but you did NOT like to be 'questioned'!!

RatesWillRise · 26/03/2023 18:46

ifyougochasingrabbits · 26/03/2023 18:25

Oh this explains it all - thank you so much it's all so clear now 👍🏻

So to be clear: hundreds of thousands of people all over the uk stockpiled stuff cos they didn't like me

And school said to everyone wear masks outside simply cos they didn't like me

And my husbands work furloughed him cos they didn't like me

And nosey neighbours (that none of us had even met) pretended to the police we were having a party cos they didn't like me

A random (I'd never met) threatened me with violence simply based on a business ad didn't like me

And people (I'd also never met) verbally abused my kid online -

It was ALL cos they didn't like me

Why oh why did I not realise any of this 3 years ago 🤦‍♀️

🤪🤪🤪🤪

I think you need to stop seeing things as so black and white. There is a huge middle ground and big grey area. Everyone’s ‘version’ of the pandemic was different. No two people had exactly the same theories or behaviour. If people got less angry, and listened to each other’s rationale without getting abusive, then this whole damn thing might have been easier.

But people on all sides got so upset and angry that there was no meeting in the middle and family and friend relationships ended. That’s a real shame, don’t you think.

It is worrying that you still seem as angry as in 2020. If I think about schools, I can get a bit like that so I just don’t let myself dwell. Hope the therapy works and you can think about the future. For the sake of you and your kids. Sounds like your business is going well so that’s a positive surely. Good luck.

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