To not be over what happened to me during covid/lockdowns

[ifyougochasingrabbits]

Just a few of the things I went through

Losing my cleaning business i had built up over years overnight due to everyone cancelling us

Being humiliated by the headteacher at DC school shouting at me in front of other parents because I refused to wear a mask outside . My little girl being made to start school late and finish late because I was unable to wear a mask to collect her (school run was all outside I may add and I had no problem wearing masks in shops etc but I drew the line at in the fresh air outside)

watching thousands of pounds of income disappear at an alarming rate. while wondering if we’d still have jobs and be able to keep the house we’d worked our arses off for for years to buy. Going through six months of trauma with H furloughed and depressed because his work could not guarantee he'd still have a job at the end of it. He was on half pay as furlough was only paid up to about 30k salary iirc and if you were on more it was employers discretion to pay the full salary which his work didn't. He was even applying for jobs at supermarkets and delivery driving etc and getting no where despite having a high level job at a major house builder.

Watching selfish morons stockpiling at the very beginning

“Friends” dumping me, one Cos I dared voice out loud that I wasn’t personally scared of covid and was struggling with restrictions and did not agree with them.

Having to deal with the fact that many of my (remaining) friends had views I completely don’t agree with and accepting they probably feel same about me.
And having to cope with the fact they supported restrictions that were destroying our lives and mental health

Having my business absolutely trashed all over social media and being called a dirty bitch and worse by local people. Fake bad reviews etc. The “reason” was they took exception to me saying on a local page post that I didn't believe in masks in school (this was due to my kids really struggling with them) My 14 year old said he agreed and some of them then found him on fb and messaged him insulted his looks and called him stupid and a fucking moron etc. This was actual grown adults.

a random person inboxed me on Facebook due to seeing my business ad and threatened to "smash my face in" because she thinks i was “endangering lives” by working

My neighbour reporting us to the police for having an illegal gathering. This "illegal gathering" was me, my H and our 3 dc having a bbq in the garden. Needless to say we all live together

Being put on medication for panic attacks and anxiety in fact I minimised it to the gp. I was actually suicidal and the only reason I am still here is because of my kids and the fact my husband and parents had the same views as me. But I would secretly hope to die in my sleep and almost every day I would wake up and cry because I was still here.

Watching my 3 Kids completely fall apart due to schools being closed. While not only having to deal with seeing posts all over fb about how well other kids were doing and coping doing all their work, managing great. And knowing some people I care about actually wanted schools shut. One of my kids is still very unwell mentally and it all started with lockdowns

Oh and to add final insult to injury, in November 2021 I had to pay £5700 (which was part credit card and part all of our savings) privately for an operation that should have been freely available on the nhs. But cos covid they could not give me a date and I was getting more and more poorly and could not wait.

I am still angry and maybe I should get over it. But I can't. And There's probably more but these are the stand out moments. I'm doing okay now and I have a new business and I'm doing well, H has a new job as he could not trust his old place after covid. but I've been very low again recently with the anniversary of it all

https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub6/full
Masks made little to no difference, as per the evidence.

We also need to accept that the vast majority of the public didn't want to die from covid in isolation, unable to have their loved ones with them. Yet that is what happened to people and their loved ones.

Many of us see the long lasting damage done, especially to children and vulnerable people, and it is undoubtedly shit.

But, yes, people dying on their own, unable to even hold another person's hand, is offensive to me. NHS staff having to deal with this is offensive to me. Families at home unable to be with their loved ones for their last moments is offensive to me.

Death is natural, early, painful death leaving a family and NHS staff traumatised is not.

@TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl

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OMG it’s like turning back time 3 years with the OTT insults and “If you don’t agree with me I shall declare you’re thick"

Totally !! Sad and pathetic 😂

I’m surprised someone hasn’t called you a granny killer yet OP

Would you have allowed your 6 year old to go into school late and be kept back after her classmates had left; every day, to make a point, though?
However stupid you felt the rule to be?
In a school full of kids who's parents felt no need to make such a meal out of sticking a bloody mask on for 5 minutes?
I can only imagine op's reputation after than palaver.

No. You're not thick because you don't agree with me. You're just thick.

Exactly- as we see on this thread. People claiming that the OP brought this on herself and spread Covid around by not wearing a mask outside. Utterly stupid claim.

Good for you OP for standing up for what you believe and applying critical thinking. If only more people had done that For the ones at the back - she wore a mask inside when she needed to. She didn’t spread anything about.

The impact on children from this and the loss of people’s business and livelihood is huge. Why should the OP move on and not be angry that her children suffered so much? And no she did not make them suffer by not wearing a mask outside!

Sigh. As quoted in the cochrane review you linked, the authors concluded there was not enough high quality evidence to determine evidence of effect.

There are many accepted interventions we do not have RCT evidence for - handwashing in various setting, water sanitisation etc.

There is uncertainty about the effects of face masks. The low to moderate certainty of evidence means our confidence in the effect estimate is limited, and that the true effect may be different from the observed estimate of the effect.

I know right 🫣😆😆

@Delatron thanks 🙏 brill post below ⬇️

"Exactly- as we see on this thread. People claiming that the OP brought this on herself and spread Covid around by not wearing a mask outside. Utterly stupid claim.

Good for you OP for standing up for what you believe and applying critical thinking. If only more people had done that For the ones at the back - she wore a mask inside when she needed to. She didn’t spread anything about.

The impact on children from this and the loss of people’s business and livelihood is huge. Why should the OP move on and not be angry that her children suffered so much? And no she did not make them suffer by not wearing a mask outside"

Nice manners.

@Delatron
And no she did not make them suffer by not wearing a mask outside!

@ifyougochasingrabbits was able to wear a mask but chose not to to make a point

this led to the disruption to her daughter and the school she complains about in the OP

I had a lot of sympathy for many of her original points, but not with all the COVID minimising and ignoring of guidelines that do not impact her.

I felt awful for the people stuck wearing masks all day like teachers/shop workers/school kids

So I felt the least I could do was pop one on when requested, even in settings where the benefits were lower? @ifyougochasingrabbits

And no she did not make them suffer by not wearing a mask outside!
She made her 6 year old arrive late and stay late at school because of her performative nonsense in the playground. What good did that do her child?
Who also ran around said playground ripping down safety barriers (which the school, were presumably obliged to install).
Anyone thinking this encouraged the child to become a radical free thinker to be applauded for her critical faculties is as ridiculous as she is.

@ifyougochasingrabbits

agreed

you shouldn’t be condoning your kid laughing at people wearing masks and going around tearing off tape - it’s not her property. She had no right.

No, I’m not. I just don’t get scared about things I’m told to be scared of.

Im interested if you have any links to confirm that masks were in fact effective? Only ffp3 type masks fit tested to the individual ensured an appropriate seal. I used to fail on them all the time. The cotton masks and general surgical masks just do not fit people properly.
Covid was rife despite them. Mask wearing outdoors is just a bizarre idea, I’m surprised so many people felt this was of any benefit whatsoever.

Have posted this before but there's real black and white thinking on this

You can not personally be worried about COVID, but still appreciated the impact an uncontrolled pandemic will have (and how the impacts will trickle down and effect you and your family anyway) @TheObstinateHeadstrongGirl

The real impact on your children is having you as their mother. Your youngest sounds like a horror (of your making).
You're not a critical thinker. You're not smarter than the rest of use. You're a deluded, mean spirited nutjob who couldn't follow the science then, can't now, and all you ever cared about was yourself. You didn't even care about your own kids, leaving them in school rather than put on a mask for five minutes.

Your cleaning business collapsed because no-one wnated the likes of you in their house,

You seem to have ignored both my post and the paper you linked

As I said the authors of the review, you linked, concluded there was not enough high quality evidence to estimate evidence of effect

Idiotic. If there was a tornado warning you'd be the tool driving towards is, because the weather reports told you to be scared of it.

Many people were undecided on the efficacy of masks, particularly as in Scotland you could wear whatever type you wanted, so many of us wore reusable cloth ones because not wanting to spend lots of money and not really thinking they were of much use.

But "critical thinking " to me means doing whatever is best for your family- provided of course it doesn't hurt others. You're not sticking it to the man by not wearing a face mask outside because thems the rules that the school has been forced to follow, the only person you're hurting is your own DD who has to have alternative pick up and drop off arrangements, oh and likely the teachers too by making their job more lengthy, but hey man they're part of the establishment and deserve what they get presumably.

Did the science say masks outside were effective? I must have missed that crucial research.

Why suggest that I am thick rather than questioning the link in a respectful way? If masks were so effective, why did the transmissibility of covid remain so high? Surely if they worked, mask wearing would have halted it in its tracks?