Preferred pronoun labels at childrens event

[StopitSarah]

I took my primary age children to a science event this weekend. It’s run by university students. Almost all of them had their preferred pronouns on their name labels.

AIBU to feel that was unnecessary and to feel a bit uneasy? One of my children wanted to know why “the man is saying we should say he/him. Isn’t that obvious?”

I asked one of the students who said it was to show support to any trans helpers and was for the benefit of the (adult) students, not the children.

I’m SO BORED and irritated by the trans agenda being every-bloody-where.

But AIBU? I had a good chat with one of the students and he said that they’re all science students and understand that woman = biological female is too simplistic. My brain exploded.

Oh noooo! Did you exit the Mumsnet echo chamber and experience some different views in the real world? What a nightmare. Few things:
Using the word 'indoctrination' about pronouns on a name badge is a bit strong ;)
It's great children are being exposed to different viewpoints, especially if what they're hearing at home is so negative about being trans.
Children who do grow up trans will know there are going to be communities that accept them.
Well done university students.
Isn't it strange how there are so many strong opinions from people barely affected who want to dictate how people get to live their whole life as trans, and the similarities to homophobia back in the day where it was like 'i don't mind if it's behind closed doors and no one sees it. Aren't I generous'.

If this is true a lot of it will stem from how they are being told that everyone should pander to calling them they/she/him etc and how awful it is when it's not adhered to, and how they can do things like use whatever toilet or changing room they want, or use women's ony spaces because they have decided they are now female, because everything is inclusive.

When in real life this isn't the case because ACTUAL women will not stand for it then this surely is only more stressful and confusing.

I am happy for people to wear what they want, use whatever pronouns they want (and I will do my best to remember to use them) but in no circumstances will I accept anyone is a different sex to what they were biologically born, except in the rare cases of someone who maybe be intersex or truly suffering from gender dysphoria. Men have worn make up, womens clothes forever, literally no one batted an eyelid years ago. Girls dressed liked boys, have haircuts traditionally like boys and behaved as boys (me for one). I was a girl who was a Tom boy, totally accepted and never mocked. I absolutely object to the fact that at 6 years old it would now be suggested I could actually have been a boy FFS.

I agree re what some PPs have said re teens now having none of it, mine are 17 and 15, I have been very careful to not tell them how I feel about it all but they are very inclusive and totally accepting of the 1 transgender person at school but they are really not happy to accept some of the nonsense that goes on around it all in general. They refer to them as he and essentially treat them as the gender they are living as but would not accept him in their toilets or changing rooms or male only spaces, and the school would never allow it anyway.

The children should have been encouraged to refer to everyone by name.

It is indoctrination into an ideology.

Totally ridiculous comparison IMO. It does affect many people. Look at the issues around women's prisons, women's elite sports, women's changing rooms, women's toilets, anything that is specifically for women.

Someone being gay affects no one at all, totally right that there should be no discrimination at all.

Trying to use correct pronouns is totally fine but pushing it on primary age children is bullshit. They push it at work but are fine if we don't add to our signatures/badges. I still don't actually understand why it's inclusive, surely you only need to say if you present differently to your biological sex. I have read much literature saying why it's inclusive and to be honest it doesn't actually make sense IMO. Being inclusive doesn't need to include unnecessary information, I am inclusive of gay people but I don't need to state my sexuality of a funking badge to show this. I genuinely would like to hear a sensible reason as to why I need to include she/her on my email signature and perhaps I will change my mind.

Barely affected?

Are you insane?

Every single woman on the planet is at risk of loosing any rights and freedoms we have.

The Taliban hate women but they don't force girls to change in the presence of men who are pretending to be women.

Can you ask John if he has sugar in his tea?

John may only be in the next room. This is not rude. It's not quite the same as the cat's mother!

So, where are the figures showing trans people killing themselves in large numbers as previously indicated?

You won’t find any such figures because this so-called stat is wheeled out to guilt trip people into believing in gender ideology.

Stating that 46% of the trans people questioned for that survey “have thought about ending their life” is not proof of this.

Rolling out suicide threats is manipulative behaviour. “If you don’t do what I say I’ll kill myself”

Agree.

Also find it interesting so many Mumsnet people claim they’ve never met anyone trans in real life and neither have their children. How would you know if you had? It’s not always as obvious as people here like to think. And it’s more common than people think - my son aged 10 has a non binary classmate, no issues with referring to them as they / them. We’ve had some interesting discussions about it but he’s not confused or traumatised by it. My dd is in her second year of university and has two trans best friends and one non binary friend. It’s just a normal part of life for young people, it’s only when I read threads like this on Mumsnet I realise the hatred for it all still exists.

How would you know if you had? It’s not always as obvious as people here like to think.

That's not true, size, gait, facial features, hand & foot size and general body shape are dead giveaways. Transw don't pass, no matter how much they like to fantasise that they do.

Amid the GC posts, I'd like to point out that pronoun badges are extremely cruel and discriminatory towards what is the most genuinely marginalised and disadvantaged groups in society: people with disabilities, especially learning, and people with dementia. They should not be worn. There is no benefit to them whatsoever, their entire purpose is to signify membership of a niche middle-class club and the impenetrable rules are part of the appeal and an excuse to attack others who rightly neither know nor care. Let's not act as though the badges are normal, everyday, authoritative and necessary equipment. They're the opposite.

As someone relatively young myself and who deals with plenty of young people, it really isn't part of life at all for the vast majority. In fact, if the subject is brought up, it's with mockery.

“It’s not that deep”😂 Are you identifying as a teenager!!

I think it might be a chicken and egg situation. I think unhappy troubled teens may convince themselves that the grass is greener, and they will be happier if they were a boy/girl, instead of what they actually are. They try to transition and encounter problems, or discover that they’re still unhappy, leading to further depression and potentially suicide. They are then an LGBTQ statistic, when in fact they were depressed before they even thought about LGBTQ.

So no one was forced to state their pronouns, it was a personal choice so some didn't.

They didn't ask children or parents to state their choice.

You got offended to the point where I bet you haven't stopped complaining about it.

Or you could accept it was a voluntary thing that had nothing to do with you or your children.

Have you ever considered applying that in the reverse? Terrible things are happening in the world and you’re upset that someone out of earshot referred to you as your sex based pronoun?

Had do we know that we haven’t met someone trans in real life? Well I guess you’re correct in that the 6’4 geezer with a beard and bald head wearing jeans and a Metallica t shirt could very well be a trans woman and uses the pronouns she/her but we don’t know it because they’re just standing at a bus stop minding their own business but I guess we’ll know when they come into the Ladies toilets. Yes indeed, you’re right in that observation.

luckily my teenagers know that a man is a man and he’s a he/him, and a woman is a woman and she’s she/her. And no amount of make up or high heels is going to turn a man into a woman.

And we are all affected by this madness, so we’re all entitled to our opinion. Except I don’t see my view as an “opinion”. My view is a statement of fact. Yours is a delusion. By all means have fun and play dress-up, but always remember that it’s not real.

Except it did have something to do with her and her children because her child asked her about it.

If it's personal choice, why are people wearing labels? It's not personal choice, it's compelled speech.

There’s no such thing as non binary. There are genetic conditions in which there is a disturbance of the XX/XY chromosomes, but these are very rare.

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I seriously can't get worked up about it.
YABU

@Xrays we do know 4 trans people. Two adults and a child. None of us are unkind or weird around them. I do my best to avoid pronouns though because it feels like I’m lying to my children. The child we know is very young and it is hard to navigate with my dc.

@coffeeandcola the students were all meant to state their pronouns. Almost all did. Some “didn’t get the email” in time. I salute them for being brave and not being coerced into this.

Complain in writing about people wanting to display their pronouns on a badge?
Which they're perfectly entitled to do?
Now who's being the intolerant one telling others what they can and can't do?!
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Just inwardly roll your eyes and let them get on with their own lives if it bothers you that much

Don’t feel bad for not conforming to their nonsense.
I couldn’t give two shits if I ‘mis gendered’ someone - if someone looks like they’re a certain gender I’m just going to assume, and not pussyfoot around.

If they want to get all bent out of shape about it, that’s a ‘them’ problem and not a ‘me’ problem.