Preferred pronoun labels at childrens event

[StopitSarah]

I took my primary age children to a science event this weekend. It’s run by university students. Almost all of them had their preferred pronouns on their name labels.

AIBU to feel that was unnecessary and to feel a bit uneasy? One of my children wanted to know why “the man is saying we should say he/him. Isn’t that obvious?”

I asked one of the students who said it was to show support to any trans helpers and was for the benefit of the (adult) students, not the children.

I’m SO BORED and irritated by the trans agenda being every-bloody-where.

But AIBU? I had a good chat with one of the students and he said that they’re all science students and understand that woman = biological female is too simplistic. My brain exploded.

@silentpool I like your style

So why get so upset about it??

@Jenn3112 because my children noticed and asked. And they are primary age children who don’t need to know about this stuff. It introduced a conversation I didn’t want to have.

@Jenn3112 because using pronouns in this way suggests someone can change sex and they can’t.

It would matter if I was asked and I wasn't ready to say
The issue here is lack of choice

because the pretence you can be the opposite sex is harmful to the people doing it from a medicinal, emotional and physical perspective and also potentially harmful to people of the opposite sex.

"Sometimes it's hard for people to work out the correct pronoun immediately, so they've put it on to make it easy for us." That's neither difficult nor opposing your ideology. Why not just say that?

because their attention seeking weirdos. It’s a known fact if you are biologically a female you are she/her and biologically male is he/him. Why do we need to label genders. It’s stupidity. I refuse to join in this bulls£78t.

@Everydayimhuffling have you met primary age children? If I said that to a 6 year old they’d say “it is easy. Men are him and women are her”

Complain in writing, and go above their heads- if they’re students then complain to the uni or supervisor. This shit will carry on forever unless it’s opposed.

Biological sex really isn’t more complicated than we think- it’s just male and female. The end.

Utter knobheads.

It’s ironic that you are the one calling people “snowflake” when you are the on acting just like that.

It’s not difficult - I have fully working eyes

@Albiboba I don’t use the term snowflake. I think it’s unhelpful.

What a load of bs. YANBU

I personally find it quite delusional and it's not something I intend to want/need to teach my children. Why such a small minority of people think they can force the world to go along with such ridiculousness is beyond me. It's really sad that they now want to try and push their agenda on kids as well 🙄

I asked one of the students who said it was to show support to any trans helpers...

It's not, though. Even the Yogyakarta Principles discourage the practices of requiring or even recommending "preferred pronouns" - people who need something non-standard or something that might appear to conflict with appearances need to be allowed to deal with pronouns if they want when they want. While plenty of trans people (like plenty of all kinds of people) roll their eyes or don't care about pronoun obsession, it's still most likely to hurt those it claims to help. (And of course women and girls, who studies have shown are likely to be treated worse when their sex is highlighted unnecessarily in a professional or educational setting.)

People?

I would complain. It's gender theory propaganda and it doesn't belong at any events for children. People don't need pronoun badges. We can see what pronouns they use by looking at them.

Unless you actually are Kriss Akabusi, I don't think you should be using his name.

It's coerced speech and it's gas-lighting. Women have been told by high court judges to call their assailants and rapists 'she.' Women have been fired from their jobs for calling men with beards 'he'.

There is significant evidence that for women and girls having constant reminders of their sex such as having to fill in forms or put it in paperwork, negatively affects their exam performance and career progression. Read Delusions of Gender by Cordelia Fine for the research.

If an obvious man has he/him pronouns displayed I find it the same as waving his willy in my face. My linkedin feed is full of pompous 50 year old blokes sporting he/him pronouns wanting to impress the cool young things in the office. It's not progressive - it's regressive.

I got asked if I wanted one, I refused on the grounds I'm so obviously female. Apparently it was to show how inclusive I am

My reply was im nice to everyone

Probably not which in itself is not inclusive.

Firstly, it goes against the rules of grammar that kids are taught in schools. Third person pronouns are not individual like names, they're applied to whole classes of people, based (in English can't speak for other languages) on sex, and they are for the speaker to decide based on observation, not for the person being spoken of to choose. 99.999999% of the English speaking population use third person pronouns in this way. It is common usage. Expecting anyone to do something at odds with common usage is extreme cheeky fuckery and totalitarian compelled speech, but when it's applied to children it's actually teaching them something that's wrong, and making them confused.

Secondly, it's incredibly discriminatory against non NT people, children/ people with SEND or non-native English speakers who will struggle using wrong-sex pronouns against normal usage. It's very much like telling everyone that they need to use the word 'green' to describe things that are blue from now on. Very difficult to do, quite a heavy psychological demand on someone.

It's bullying, basically.

Divorcedalongtime · Today 20:37 This is to prevent the large amount of suicides in the LGBTQ+ community
Gosh I had no idea that large numbers of LGBTQ+ commit suicide. Do you perchance have a reference to back this claim up?

On a similar note did you know that every time you lie, a fairy dies?

It isn't always obvious. It often is with adults, but it definitely isn't with children. Given that, it's particularly easy to explain to children.